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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by truth_ »

spamizbad wrote: post #35
truth_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. If they are racially motivated, and shows hatred towards a whole ethinicity and people, yes, the posts should be removed and the users banned after repeat violations.

Sounds like you've set a system up full of semantic issues. For example, saying "Death to Israel" is in pretty clear violation of this rule. But what about "Turn Iraq into a glass parking lot"? Someone could argue that they aren't targeting a "whole ethnicity" because Iraq is simply one of many Arab/Muslim-majority nations - and not even in the top 3 most populous Arab countries. After all, the person didn't say "Kil…

No I am not one of those.

If somebody says Turn Iraq into a glass parking lot, they should be banned after repeat violations, and their post should be removed.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by dodgepitchforks »

throwaway210222 wrote: post #40
truth_ wrote: post #31

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Exactly. If Israel were an apartheid state, then even the Arabs living inside Israel would not have rights.

Nope, its not about having rights. That the comic version of apartheid. Its about being an equal partner in the society to jointly and equally decide what are the rights and obligations of each member. And that is a threshold Israel can never achieve. The Jewish majority unilaterally decides what the role of the Arabs are. For example, the Jewish majority has, unilaterally and without explanation, decided that their…

That's a redefinition of the word "apartheid". Probably done to use its emotional connotations.

"Comic version of Apartheid"?

Apartheid was an actual political system, implemented and practiced for years.

Much more that not being an "equal partner", it involved enforced legislation to classify people according to race and then to restrict rights based on that classification.

NOTE: I'm not weighing in on the Palestinian/Israeli issue here, but as someone who grew up under the Apartheid regime, I'm objecting to what I feel is misuse of the word.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by [deleted] »

dodgepitchforks wrote: post #42
throwaway210222 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, its not about having rights. That the comic version of apartheid. Its about being an equal partner in the society to jointly and equally decide what are the rights and obligations of each member. And that is a threshold Israel can never achieve. The Jewish majority unilaterally decides what the role of the Arabs are. For example, the Jewish majority has, unilaterally and without explanation, decided that their…

That's a redefinition of the word "apartheid". Probably done to use its emotional connotations. "Comic version of Apartheid"? Apartheid was an actual political system, implemented and practiced for years. Much more that not being an "equal partner", it involved enforced legislation to classify people according to race and then to restrict rights based on that classification. NOTE: I'm not weighing in on the Palestini…

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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by ireallydontcar3 »

truth_ wrote: post #32
namdnay wrote: post #27

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I think the “Apartheid state” accusation refers to the occupied territories, and the fact that the people living there are not afforded the rights of Israeli citizenship, while still being under Israeli control Maybe Apartheid state is not the right term, but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli

> but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli Any trustable source to back this up?

The gaslighting is a bit ridiculous. The occupation in places like Gaza isn’t a secret. Your posts are comical.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by asplake »

truth_ wrote: post #39
namdnay wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apartheid doesn’t have to be based on religion. Here it is based on being born in Israel vs being born in the occupied territories

Where are these occupied territories? "Arab" is not a religion, it's an ethnicity. Blacks in SA did not have any rights. Arabs have rights in Israel. It is not an apartheid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by Udik »

truth_ wrote: post #30
spamizbad wrote: post #25

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> If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed. There are tons of posts from Americans talking about wiping various countries off the map. Should those posts also be removed? Should those users be banned?

Yes. If they are racially motivated, and shows hatred towards a whole ethinicity and people, yes, the posts should be removed and the users banned after repeat violations.

So you're saying that the posts should be removed not because of what they say but because of their motives. And who decides what are the posts motives? You, of course.

Israel is running a slow-motion ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians, practices apartheid, and violates international law by building settlements on occupied territories... but you say that the reason Palestinians hate Israelis is because of their race? Yeah, sure.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by Udik »

truth_ wrote: post #38
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #29

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How do you explain the ongoing eviction, backed by IDF enforcement, of Sheikh Jarrah? If Palestinians have equal rights and Israel has stopped occupying Gaza and encroaching on Gazan land, why are there constant clashes between settlers and Gazans in the West Bank? How do you explain the disproportionate response from Israel, carpet bombing Gaza indiscriminately, not even focusing on military targets? What about the…

> carpet bombing Gaza indiscriminately It's just their words against theirs. I don't know what happened to the anti-Arab chanters, in my opinion, they should be sued (and arrested when appropriate). And "Israelis" did not shout those. They were from an ultra nationalist faction. It's not Israelis vs. Palestinians. It's Hamas wanting to kill every Jew it can, and Israel attacking Hamas to save its citizens, and then i…

> It's Hamas wanting to kill every Jew it can

You bet. Jews immigrated en masse to Palestine, then used their leverage at the UN to have half of the country assigned to themselves alone, then proceeded to ethnic cleanse as many Arab villages as possible. In the decades Israel has used every possible excuse to occupy more land, in violation of all laws and agreements, and install their population, while harassing, persecuting, and killing the indigenous population.

You bet that Hamas wants to kill them! It's because they're vicious anti-semite? No.

(By the way, jokes apart: no, Hamas doesn't want to kill all the Jews and has officially said so: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full )

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by Udik »

throwawayboise wrote: post #15
grecy wrote: post #7

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Given that HN is regularly read (and commented on) by some of the top minds in world IT, I personally feel it would be a travesty simply not to mention some of the biggest issues and topics facing the world today. I personally feel there's nothing more important than engaging those high profile and influential minds on these big issues if we have any hope of solving or at least improving them.

The top minds in IT are not going to solve the Israel/Palistinian conflict, any more than politicians and statesmen will prove whether P = NP.

There is no Israeli/ Palestinian conflict. There is nothing to solve. There is a country that is slowly expanding in territory it doesn't have a right to, with some resistance from the original population.

This is a crime. Why do they do it? Because it's convenient and nobody stops them. Why nobody stops them? Because they've convinced the world that "there is a conflict", that "it's complicated", that "they're antisemites and they want to kill us all".

That's it. Weapons are just a tool. What enables Israel to keep occupying land and persecute Palestinians is just what people think of the whole thing. As long as people think "it's complicated", "Palestinians are just backwards antisemites", Israel will have a free hand in doing what they're doing. That's why convincing people is fundamental: and Israel knows very well, and that's why they censor as much information as possible.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by _y5hn »

lovelearning wrote: post #20
adventured wrote: post #11

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While I have no issue with controversial posts on HN - high profile, influential tech minds have zero influence over the Israel-Palestine matter. The same is true for many controversial topics. The President of the United States and Congress barely have any influence over what goes on between Israel and Palestine. Zuckerberg can't influence the Israel-Palestine context one bit, and he has $100 billion in wealth and c…

The ability to shape opinions of voters and funding should be seen as a kind of influence. In the US context, perhaps the plight of Palestinian victims of property theft will influence some ethical capitalists to scale back their uncritical moral or financial support to Israeli nationalist organizations.

By way of technology alone? Careful what you wish for, you might get it!

We've seen that lies and manipulation can distort reality too much already. Platforms need to be honest to be constructive.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by Udik »

adventured wrote: post #11
grecy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that HN is regularly read (and commented on) by some of the top minds in world IT, I personally feel it would be a travesty simply not to mention some of the biggest issues and topics facing the world today. I personally feel there's nothing more important than engaging those high profile and influential minds on these big issues if we have any hope of solving or at least improving them.

While I have no issue with controversial posts on HN - high profile, influential tech minds have zero influence over the Israel-Palestine matter. The same is true for many controversial topics. The President of the United States and Congress barely have any influence over what goes on between Israel and Palestine. Zuckerberg can't influence the Israel-Palestine context one bit, and he has $100 billion in wealth and c…

Everybody has influence of the Israel-Palestine matter because the conflict exists only thanks to the spin Israel gives to it. They do what they do- and profit from it- because the public opinion in the Western countries (USA in particular) allows them to. That's why it's so important to them to keep shaping that opinion, and that's why it's so important to change it.
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