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Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#101

If I can be perfectly honest, you seem to have no concept of what suffering actually is. It’s likely that near you there are people living in tents covered in their own filth suffering from physical and psychological torture because of how fundamentally incompetent we all are at resolving basic structural problems in our society. Things can always get worse, count your blessings.

> you seem to have no concept of what suffering actually is

There is so much wrong with this statement, in the context of OPs post that I don't know were to start.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#102
23 is much too early to declare yourself a failure in life. That's the depression talking. "That shit ain't the truth."

Just because you're not having the outcomes that you want does not mean you're a failure.

Depression and feelings of inadequacy and failure are a vicious circle, because ... depression makes it hard to succeed.

Depression also makes it hard to connect with people, and hard to stay connected.

Depression also makes it hard to take care of yourself.

Try to find a primary care physician, or a therapist, or a similar professional. If you don't like who you find, for whatever reason, find a different one.

Treat them like a project manager. Be sure to be actively involved in choosing your management tactics.

I've tried suicide twice. Once when I was five. Once when I was about your age. I'm 63 now, and I'm glad that I didn't succeed.

Only within the last ten years did I ask for professional help. It saved my life. Most of my life prior was like dental work without novacaine.

Two of the things that have helped me (YMMV) are a prescription, and a career change.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#103

I'm in your age range and sadly I'm hearing from A LOT of young men that Tinder is really damaging their self esteem (specifically the lack of matches most men get which can feel as bad as getting rejected face to face a thousand times to some men). It's also disgusting that these apps take advantage of vulnerable young men desperate for connection by up-selling them on an endlessly growing list of paid add-ons that…

This is extremely relatable and true. Thank you.

The Tinder game is so horrible, 5% of the women get the attention of 80% of the men or more, leaving both the men and women in the other group feeling like there is something wrong with them. People feel the need to edit themselves in order to fit the false narrative created by these gamified dating scenarios, or else experience the fear of dying alone.

There is nothing wrong with you.

Our complicated, 3-dimensional, deep, personalities and lives are not meant to be reduced to a catalog, best consumed on the toilet, dismissed or accepted instantly based upon a false presentation designed to harness the evolutionary biology of actual living beings.

For money.

This is not constrained to human society. There is an amusing anecdote of the Australian Jewel Beetle that also experiences the Tinder Effect. This nearly caused their extinction. I encourage you to watch Donald Hoffman's 2015 TED Talk "Do we see reality as it is?"[0] linked below for your convenience. I've timestamped the relevant section, skip forward about 100 seconds or so for the direct discussion of the Australian jewel beetle.

[0] - https://youtu.be/oYp5XuGYqqY?t=349

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaming can have positive and negative effects. On the positive side, it can sometimes provide people with a needed social outlet, at least if it's an online social game. It can also sometimes stimulate a mind that's depressed and lethargic, giving it a much needed jump-start so to speak which carries over into other productive tasks. Conversely, it can get you addicted to and dependent on quick and easy dopamine hits…

10 "Reality sucks Im going to escape it via gaming." 20 "Gaming is fun but it isn't improving my reality." 30 "Improving my reality doesn't feel fun at all." 40 GOTO 10 This cycle was all too real for me. But like you said it is neither positive or negative. It depends entirely on the individual.

The hard branch back to the start is a perfect indicator of dysfunction.

I think the best way to sum up the very negative aspects of gaming is their fake progress. To use the 4 quadrant model, gaming usually belongs in the not-important quadrant with mostly not-urgent. But most game environments create their own 4 quadrant sub world. The issue then appears because those urgent and important and the various combinations thereof then mess with the real reward systems. The game world is temporarily real enough due to immersion so it becomes real. Your real reward systems light up and take action: More! Do this! So you do.

So the game gives your brain all sorts of these varied set ups where the quadrants apply and you have to prioritise. You make successful decisions and your reward systems kick in. The game says, "here is a problem that exists". You solve it and your brain, unable to really tell the difference says "ok we need to do more of that". So it allocates resources to improve. And you do.

But its all fake. Fake progress. Fake accomplishments. Because its all fake, the reward centers get messed up. You know its fake. But your brain isn't great at really knowing fully that its fake. Regardless, you're now spending resources solving the game instead of the real world. The rewards become twisted as weak form punishments. Every time you realise that in the real world you arent progressing as much as you could you are effectively punished again.

None of this says you cannot play games or that they are not helpful. But like all escapes, its important to not close the door back to reality. Otherwise they become prisons.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#105
I went through depression from 24 to roughly 28. It was a slippery slope, first I would attribute some genuine reason for feeling low and then I would invent reasons.

Added with low self esteem, disconnectedness, zero social life. (I am usually not that kind of person, I generally attract people easily in a social setup).

I cried at nights, lot of sleepless nights. Just drifting through. Lost some of my precious prime time on that. Feeling worthless (I was doing extremely well at work) and suicidal thoughts as well.

Life changes to a better state sooner or later. Now I am married to a beautiful person for 6 years. My friends and family come to me when they feel bad about some issue. That’s the full 180 degree transformation.

My point is it will happen to you as well. You are too young now. Being human is precious, never entertain thoughts about throwing it away. It’s just temporary stage in your life. Life will turn for better. Much better than your own expectations.

Meantime as others said - do physical workout. Mind will come under control when you work your body out.

Meditate.

If spending time with your age folks is draining you, pick some of the matured ones or spend time with older folks or help kids through some program.

Please don’t compare your life with anyone else especially through social media lens. Most likely they may not be true as people project.

Volunteer.

You are too young to judge your own life. You have a lot more things in store in your life. Definitely talk to some older folks who had seen it all, you will get a different perspective about life.

If you are not harming anyone or yourself, you are already a great person.

Remember someday someone else would be in need of you to lift them up. Be there for them.

Stay calm.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#108
"I know that I'm a complete failure in life."

I am much, much older than you, and how I wish I was your age and had pretty much my whole life ahead of me.

You could still accomplish so much, if that's what you want to do.

Just think of it. Could you save one life? I bet you could. Maybe you could save many lives, if you set your mind to it... but even saving one life is a lot more than many people do.

Often it is service to others that is most fulfilling. Consider volunteering at some place that's doing work you value. Apart from helping others in ways you care about, you can connect with others who share your deepest values, which are the best types of connections to make.. much better than the kind of connections you're likely to make on Tinder.

You could also pursue many other paths. You are pretty much all potential at this point.

Regarding loneliness, I've found that one of the best cures for that is learning to enjoy your own company and be your own best friend... that takes learning to like, even love yourself (not in a way that sets you above or ahead of anyone else, but in the sense that you have compassion for yourself and take care of yourself instead of being self-destructive and full of self-loathing). Be curious about the world, develop new interests, learn, do. Once you like yourself and enjoy your own company, you'll find others are more likely to enjoy your company too.

But you do have to reach out to others too.. not just cocoon yourself up at home or swipe on dating sites. Try going in person to meetups of people who share your (hopefully many) interests. Then, try to really connect with some of these people on a more than superficial level (this can take time and effort, but that's the only way it's going to happen.. there are no shortcuts). Try to find people who inspire and motivate you, and avoid those that bring you down and sabotage you. And, of course, don't self-sabotage.. that's the biggest trap. Many people are their own worst enemies. Try to find the wise course of action and actually follow through.

I could go on, but this post is way too long already. Hope some of it helped...

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#109
Lots of great advice in this thread. I hope you don't get overwhelmed thinking about what and how to apply them to your own life. Just remember that it's better to do something than to do nothing. That you're still considering trying dating apps means that you still have hope. As such, suicide is off the table because it makes the possibility of happiness in this current life 0%. Please don't give up. I'm 25, roughly in the same situation, without a decade of programming and mathematics discipline to show for it. I'm going to keep trying. I even gathered the will to study and put myself into college recently. I was able to apply for healthcare assistance recently too. One step at a time, I'm progressing toward some place better than where I was before. We're not losers. The real losers are the ones who give up before the game ends.

One actionable thing you can do starting tomorrow or when convenient is to start working out. Start with calisthenics and move to lifting weights when you feel comfortable. The most important thing is consistency. You're gonna be doing a lot of work to get to where you want, so you can't stay at the same level of fitness. You need to keep getting stronger, so that your body and mind can handle more and more, so that what were previously mountains become anthills you can walk right over.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#110
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?" - Jesus

A good solution to your problem might be to develop a different understanding of the meaning and purpose of life. "Normal" American culture is selling you a false bill of goods IMO.

You could start by reading the Bible. Start with the Gospel of John and Romans. The ESV is a great translation and they have a study bible that is helpful.

Listen/read good preachers/teachers who can help you understand what life is really about: John Piper, Tim Keller, and R.C. Sproul are all great places to start. Each of them have podcasts available.

John Piper has a book called "Don't Waste Your Life" that is available free online and would likely be applicable to your situation. Tim Keller has a book on marriage that might help put your relationship troubles in perspective.

Finally, find a good church and start building relationships with people. Get advice from those who are wise and godly. Any church affiliated with 9 Marks ministries or following their advice on church priorities is likely a good place to start.

This won't be a popular suggestion, and Christ doesn't promise his followers an easy or happy life (just the opposite). But he does offer a meaningful life, wisdom to understand what is wrong with us and the world around us, salvation from sin and judgement (which are the biggest threat to us), and hope for better times yet to come.

One of the things the Bible teaches is that, in significant ways, we are all complete failures at life. But Christ lived and died to offer us redemption from that failure. To give our lives value, regardless of how little "success" we have. No...to redefine "success" and give us something actually worth living for.

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