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Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

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Yes. People see something dumb and decide the designers and business people involved are idiots. But often the business people and designers have very different goals and know that it's dumb. But they don't think it being dumb conflicts with their goals.

This is how the entire advertising industry works. Including digital and experiential marketing. I have personally set millions of customers' dollars on fire building doodads like these.

I make my living helping big ass corporation, inc connect all the systems to use doodads like these :)

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

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post #67

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> They are directly advertising the products literally inside the case. Well, yeah, but glass would be just as effective and much cheaper. So they're doing something in addition to that. If the requirement was "display the goods we have for sale" then glass beats this thing in virtually every way. Cheaper, minimal maintenance, no firmware updates, and most of all: familiar. But these are going to be: * Tracking consu…

> It's dystopian crap, I want nothing to do with it. This is what the future looks like though. Welcome.

"I assert X is inevitable" isn't a valid argument.

> This is what the future looks like

Is it though? Is it impossible for us to stop? Or is this premature defeatism?

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

#114

I do not blame cooler screen for selling this technology to anyone. But I want everyone to consider how much it takes to bring about a technology like this to a grocery store. If this is any of the big chain groceries, the manager doesn't even have the authority to put a sticker on the glass door. This was vetted by hundreds of people and none of them thought... glass? Business class tickets were purchased, hotels we…

No one thought “glass” because the outcome was predetermined.

Employees do not care about financial or literal waste.

They only meme in mind when they go to their job for “make money”.

I goto meetings with a vision and zero fucks about the implementation all the time. Why you expect that to be different otherwise in the same culture is beyond me.

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

#115
post #15

I thought the idea was that these would allow more insulation in the doors than glass, and that the energy use from the screen was less than the energy saved from cooling losses (but what is the payback from the manufacturing, shipping, install, recycling, repair etc?). I'm skeptical, but it is conceivably possible that it works out if the screens are very efficient, using off the shelf parts. Maybe.

Plus you don’t need to open it to see product information (especially useful for visually impaired aka most people given how small those product labels are).

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

#116
post #67

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> It's dystopian crap, I want nothing to do with it. This is what the future looks like though. Welcome.

"I assert X is inevitable" isn't a valid argument. > This is what the future looks like Is it though? Is it impossible for us to stop? Or is this premature defeatism?

Depends on where you live. I don't think I'll be seeing those in quite a while personally, but in the land of unbridled capitalism... You tell me.

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

#117
Everyone's complaining about ads. But just like on the web, ads aren't the problem, tracking is.

https://twitter.com/RunDaltonRun/status/1408578486046887939

This thing is for tracking what you look at, and is supposed to help the store figure out how to "optimize" their shelf.

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

#118
There's way too much cynicism here and a lack of insight as to how consumer retail works.

'Privacy invasion' aside there's a lot of obvious benefits to this.

1) Impactful Displays - this will increase sales. In your local coffee shop, going from the static nice pictures, to 'active displays' unambiguously generates more attention.

It's a little bit like having 'nice photo' menus vs 'empty menus' for regular dining. Obviously a nice restaurant doesn't want that - but for everything else, it helps turnover.

2) They can make the 'presentation layer' spiffy without having to worry abut what's underneath. A lot of effort goes into making sure everything looks 'right' on the shelf. Any kind of disorderly shelf gives customers a bad impression.

3) Easy pricing changes. My local 'Drug Mart' they have the 'pricing girl' constantly changing tags. I literally recognize the woman. With the prices on a display, it makes it much easier to manage.

4) Creative possibilities: beyond just displaying 'what's inside' there will be other opportunities. Possibly more detailed product information.

My biggest concern would be frankly the size of those screens and their cost and maintenance - and would the added benefits work out in the metrics. For 3 mid-sized screens at your coffee shop - yes. But for 10-20 large screens (that move, and could be broken) in the back of your grocery store, maybe not.

This is definitely a worthwhile retail experiment.

I suggest we may be seeing a lot more of this in the future.

Maybe not, but it's entirely possible.

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

#119
post #89

This is obviously a comically idiotic idea, but ... hmm ... If someone had taken this and put it in a museum as an art installation, I would love it. Thinking about it like that ... it tickles something in my brain. Using those absolutely huge, gorgeous screens, using our most sophisticated technology ... just to display a flat, bland, skeuomorphic representation of a completely mundane part of the human experience:…

There is an art installation in Las Vegas[0] which is basically a grocery store from an alternate, mildly dystopian, dimension. This would fit in perfectly there. 0: https://www.travelandleisure.com/culture-design/visual-arts/...

You're right, I could see them panning to these doors in their video, and the irony would be obvious. But like gp said, instead, this is reality

Re: Sorry, we replaced that old technology, “see-through glass”

#120
post #96

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Well you can take the entire cosmetics and fashion industry for the total for one. Serving human agency includes shallow and bad ones too.

At least those are selling to actual customers. Many big corporate projects seem to be pointless pyramid building for some middle manager’s ego.

It's often someone's boss's ego, gotta get that promotion!
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