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Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#41
post #28

"The datasetdescribed in this report is currently limited primarily to U.S. Government reporting of incidents occurring from November 2004 to March 2021." So what happened to observations from before 2004?

Interestingly the Nimitz incident was 14 November 2004 (14 days into this stated time window of analysis).

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#43
post #18

Next: A conspiracy theory that the government is covering up the fact that UFOs don't exist.

Not a theory, the intelligence community has been covering up the fact that UFOs don't exist since 1947, e.g. http://oregonmufon.com/PDFs/UFODisinformation.pdf

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#44

This seems awfully brief and doesn't have much detail. The tittle says it's a "preliminary" report. Is this the expected UAP report or just a preliminary document about it? I would want to see summary statistics for each reported incident and descriptions of the most compelling phenomenon. This document raises a lot of questions and answers few. The document says they have 21 reports of UAP that "appear to demonstrat…

> I'm also not really impressed by their idea to use "advanced algorithms" and "machine learning". Are UFO encounters so frequent we need to resort to big data? I had that same thought - on first read this report seems to contain summary analysis of 144 UAP incidents. Not the sort of numbers that immediately make me think "I need ML to process those!"

ML/AI/"algorithms" are the buzzwords of the day in the public and private sectors right now.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#45
post #6
post #4

Are there any plausible theories why this stuff is getting released right now? It looks like there is no immediate reason for action. And no real reason why they wouldn't have gone on for another decade denying it.

They had to release it. >The report prepared by the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) was required by the Intelligence Authorization Act passed by Congress late last year. The U.S. intelligence community was given 180 days to prepare an unclassified and classified report on what the U.S. government knew about UAPs. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/highly-anticipated-ufo-repor...

The classified report probably has the good stuff. It doesn't surprise me that this is extremely watered down for the public: Far more plausible than "aliens" is "foreign government figured out they can do something cool"[0], and if it's the latter, the US is not going to want to make it clear how much they do and don't understand about it.

[0] Even this category can be divided out into plausible and implausible options. For instance, I'd likely believe another government figured out they could mess with our military sensors over having developed antigravity.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#46
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to popular opinion, UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, not Aliens From Another Galaxy Visiting Us For Some Damn Reason. Objects that fly and are not readily identifiable totally exist and are a concern for the military as they may be aircraft from another country violating our air space on a spy mission or some such.

That's what the government wants you to believe.

Shhhh.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#47

The only thing they left out was swamp gas as a possible explanation (RIP Hynek). Seems like another whitewash, "it can't possibly be happening" report. If you spend some serious effort on this and stay away from the crazies you'll come to the opposite conclusion of this report. A good starting point is Vallee's books.

I don't know about Vallee, but after being briefly in the defense industry, reading much, and having some experience with aerospace everything seems to fit very well into one of three categories 1) known US aircraft activity either simply misinterpreted or kept secret from the public or even most of the military apparatus, sometimes strongly denied either as a way to disseminate vague information to adversaries or mi…

Where to begin?

1) This isn't a recent phenomena. People have been seeing discs in the sky for literally thousands of years.

2) Aircraft can't make 90 degree turns or descend from 80,000 feet to the deck approximately instantly.

3) Groups of extremely highly trained military pilots have seen them, and the video and IR data has been released from these encounters. You can't make 4 people in 2 aircraft hallucinate at the same time, and fool all the instrumentation on them (radar, IR...) and also fool the battlespace radars on the cruisers directing them. And if you could, that too would be kind of interesting to look at whatever that is.

You're repeating old points you don't understand because as you acknowledge, you don't know the subject. Please start with Vallee.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#48

This seems awfully brief and doesn't have much detail. The tittle says it's a "preliminary" report. Is this the expected UAP report or just a preliminary document about it? I would want to see summary statistics for each reported incident and descriptions of the most compelling phenomenon. This document raises a lot of questions and answers few. The document says they have 21 reports of UAP that "appear to demonstrat…

> I'm also not really impressed by their idea to use "advanced algorithms" and "machine learning". Are UFO encounters so frequent we need to resort to big data? I had that same thought - on first read this report seems to contain summary analysis of 144 UAP incidents. Not the sort of numbers that immediately make me think "I need ML to process those!"

Agreed; ML doesn't make sense to me in the context in which they present it. Seems like they just crammed in a buzzword there.

Later in the report, it says this:

    One proposal is to use advanced algorithms to 
    search historical data captured and stored by radars
They do not mention ML in that context, but it seems like a more promising way in which they might usefully employ it.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

#50

The only thing they left out was swamp gas as a possible explanation (RIP Hynek). Seems like another whitewash, "it can't possibly be happening" report. If you spend some serious effort on this and stay away from the crazies you'll come to the opposite conclusion of this report. A good starting point is Vallee's books.

I don't know about Vallee, but after being briefly in the defense industry, reading much, and having some experience with aerospace everything seems to fit very well into one of three categories 1) known US aircraft activity either simply misinterpreted or kept secret from the public or even most of the military apparatus, sometimes strongly denied either as a way to disseminate vague information to adversaries or mi…

For those that can't be bothered, the photo linked above is a Lockheed Martin F-117, an early-era stealth fighter jet.
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