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As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by CoolGuySteve »

wreath wrote: post #44
lordnacho wrote: post #8

The first guy in the article is a dev. There's never been a better time to find work as a dev. Jobs are handing out more money with more flexibility than ever seen before. On top of it all, if your firm wants people back in the office soon, now is the time to do loads of remote interviews so that you can keep being remote. I was interviewing recently and almost everyone is at least partly remote, with a huge number o…

> Jobs are handing out more money with more flexibility than ever seen before. I may be naive, but I guess this office-work-exodus would result to improvements in office spaces in general to attract devs (or other employees in tech). This would also make it easier for people who are looking to move to the US to find office jobs, since the competition is less fierce. Am I off mark here and too naive?

It seems like every year there’s a new study showing how cubicle farms are bad for productivity and health. Everyone hates them.

Same thing for long commutes, they’re terrible.

But still companies keep building new cubicle farms in downtown cores. Maybe office workers are just done with this stupid shit.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by willis936 »

mehphp wrote: post #62
vincentmarle wrote: post #9

This is admirable but the truth is that these jobs will not disappear, they will simply be outsourced abroad. There’s swaths of competent people abroad that are happy to take your (overpaid) place and the major shift to remote work tools has made it all the easier to blend in your team even if they’re working from another country. On top of this, foreign workers usually get paid 1/3 of the American salary, so the emp…

> There’s swaths of competent people abroad that are happy to take your (overpaid) place How is it overpaid? Engineers provide a lot more value than they are getting paid. If anything, people abroad are underpaid.

The answer is bigger than the question. Almost everyone in the West is overpaid because Western Society reaps the benefits of an underpaid working class on another continent. Out of sight, out of mind.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by nickthemagicman »

YrAz3EGttt wrote: post #85
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t you? Why not? Because of financials? Job availability in your region? There’s always an option. It might entail a more extensive change and change is hard, that’s for sure.

It indeed is a luxury to be able to take a year off at will. Big reason I can think of is financials. In my opinion, burnout is a problem only faced by people who can afford to do so. I am not saying everyone doesn't face burnout, they probably do, but not everyone can afford to take a sabbatical, dip into savings, indulge in a hobby etc. There are many people who don't earn as much as a silicon valley engineer, have…

2/3 of America lives paycheck to paycheck.

Taking a year off is definitely not the norm

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by willis936 »

streamofdigits wrote: post #83
mjburgess wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which among others has demolished the brain-damaged neoliberal narrative oh?

had governments not bailed out unconditionally a big chunk of the economy many business sectors would have collapsed. This would have triggered a run on the financial system like no one in recorded history. maybe we should have left "creative destruction" to play out. after all a pandemic is a known business risk.

Only the biggest boats can weather the storm. Big boats don't need life preservers, but the little guys do.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by u678u »

wil421 wrote: post #60
vincentmarle wrote: post #9

This is admirable but the truth is that these jobs will not disappear, they will simply be outsourced abroad. There’s swaths of competent people abroad that are happy to take your (overpaid) place and the major shift to remote work tools has made it all the easier to blend in your team even if they’re working from another country. On top of this, foreign workers usually get paid 1/3 of the American salary, so the emp…

People have been saying this since I was in high school post dot com bubble burst. “Don’t get into IT or software development it’s all going to be outsourced.”

Its true though. 75% of my IT dept are outsourcers - or those who used to work for such companies.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by Yenrabbit »

kaycebasques wrote: post #12

I am on a 1 year sabbatical as of the start of this month. I wrote a "prologue" [1] summarizing my motivations, fears, and plans and I plan on posting an "epilogue" at the end to compare my expectations with the actual outcome. [1] https://kayce.basqu.es/sabbatical/prologue

Good luck, and I hope it goes well. I started a similar journey in February and am loving it so far, although I didn't have a set time period and am juuust starting to pick up little bits of work to ease back into things. I know experience can be hard to generalize, but for what it's worth some top things that seemed to work well for me were 1) Don't feel bad taking the first few weeks as complete 'off' time. The side project ideas can wait a bit while you relax :) 2) It's really fun working on 'inconsequential' things, especially if previously you were doing important/urgent stuff a lot. Things don't have to be monetize-able, useful or inspiring especially when you're on a break! Again, good luck :)

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by School-Cotton »

dougmwne wrote: post #11

5 years ago I hit a burnout point and took a year off work. It was a huge perspective shift. I realized that my day-to-day of a rushed commute to work, a stressful and distracting office, thimble-deep coworker relationships and a life completely orientated around doing the above was an insane waste of my short time on Planet Earth. I reoriented my life around family, remote work, flexibility and balance. My quality o…

Cool, so how do you pay for food and rent?

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by School-Cotton »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #91
wreath wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jobs are handing out more money with more flexibility than ever seen before. I may be naive, but I guess this office-work-exodus would result to improvements in office spaces in general to attract devs (or other employees in tech). This would also make it easier for people who are looking to move to the US to find office jobs, since the competition is less fierce. Am I off mark here and too naive?

It seems like every year there’s a new study showing how cubicle farms are bad for productivity and health. Everyone hates them. Same thing for long commutes, they’re terrible. But still companies keep building new cubicle farms in downtown cores. Maybe office workers are just done with this stupid shit.

I would love to be in a cubicle farm rather than the school-cafeteria-inspired open office dystopia.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by kingsuper20 »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #77
bamboozled wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice you have the option

Imagine living in a society where basic income is guaranteed no matter what, and even its worst places - its prison cells - compare favorably to the finest hotels of other countries. You have so many options you feel constantly overwhelmed, stressing about making bad choices because everything your primitive heart could ever desire is not merely available, but plentiful and cheap. And it'll recruit you if you're not…

"Imagine living in a society where basic income is guaranteed no matter what, and even its worst places - its prison cells - compare favorably to the finest hotels of other countries."

What I see are bored young males hanging out and getting in fights, not a whole generation of people learning cuneiform in their newfound free time.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by the-dude »

vanderZwan wrote: post #48
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit of coup out to jump on the British where somehow everything negative that happens is due to Brexit. As counter anecdata, I am in the Netherlands and I am (now, as much as before) receiving calls for job opportunities from UK based recruiters. They are for the majority concentrated around London, Oxbridge, Bristol, Manchester. Depending on where GP is based in the UK, the landscape and opportunities can be…

The person you replied to wrote that all their clients "relocated any technical work they had in the UK to Poland or the Baltics" . That's not politics and bitter emotions, that's sharing their own anecdotal data. Of course, one could criticize generalizing based on that one data point, but that's a different thing altogether.

The comment you are commenting on literally(yes really) starts with blaming Brexit.

How you can deny that is politics and bitter emotions is literally beyond me.

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