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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by nxc18 »

magnetowasright wrote: post #360
nxc18 wrote: post #353

I just want them to include a Windows license in my Microsoft 365 subscription and let me install it on my M1 (or Intel) Mac. I don’t understand why the business folks at MS haven’t noticed that opportunity. Separately, I’d like to see a return to the concept of “Trusted Computing”. In the Windows XP/Vista days, telemetry was opt-in (sometimes with a nudge). Office wouldn’t send my grammar telemetry to MS without let…

I don’t think good will or good publicity matters, and MS knows it. If the telemetry, spam reinstalling, changing user settings, user document deleting, work interrupting crap they pull with Win10 hasn’t caused a significant number of users to abandon ship, I am not sure what will.

True, all good points. I just wish software companies were more motivated by craftsmanship and love for users.

I remember in college they would always emphasize user obsession at the recruiting events. Apparently I drank more of that koolaid than the people they ended up hiring.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by zamadatix »

trts wrote: post #339
verall wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its so bad. I don't know how this doesn't bug other people more. It's completely unfinished. Plenty of settings haven't moved from their XP or Windows 7 menus, as new "metro" 8/10 settings menus are created that have missing settings, new settings, and conflicting settings. The new W10 interface to set a static IP will conflict with the old one (adapter properties) without telling you. Happy debugging.

As a late adopter to Win10 who hadn't been in a Windows environment since the early days of Win7, I was shocked how jarring ugly and inconsistent it was. Win11 from what they've revealed looks like a moderate improvement? But I know what they're not showing is how the desktop will look with several non-native MS applications open, the nonsense of the theming across Office applications, and Explorer with its inexplica…

Office and Explorer were actually shown in some other videos today, they've been updated to the new UI theme as well. As have paint/notepad. Edge as well, that combined with the Taskbar/Start menu and Store they demoed in the main video. Settings has also been completely restyled to match the new theme, don't remember which video(s) that was in though. The new Terminal (which can now replace command prompt as the default terminal for applications too) seems to fit in visually too.

Overall I don't think every Microsoft app ever made is going to get a facelift but it really seems like all of the main user facing apps have actually been updated together for once.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by zamadatix »

hulitu wrote: post #327
72deluxe wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The backwards compatability on Windows is truly great, particularly compared to Linux and macOS (where messages fired off when buttons are clicked silently disappear nowhere, and the button does nothing)....

There is no backward compatibility from Win 7 onwards. A lot of games stopped functioning in Win 7( you need to rename system dlls or change registry entries for them to work). And in win 10 they just don't work.

On one side of the house you have folks saying Windows 3.1 dialogs are still able to be referenced, on the other you have folks saying there is no backwards compatibility from Windows 7 onwards. Clearly both can't be true yet Windows gets the short end of the stick after each reference anyways :).

"Really old games" probably don't have the same backward compatibility weight as "really really really old business software". As a good example a friend of mine with a local business just had me migrate his 16 bit ordering system from the 90s... to Windows 10... and I'll be damned it worked.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by topaz0 »

CozySoy wrote: post #24

Here they go again, messing with the start menu... Hard to believe that they didn't learn from Windows 8, but they didn't. Also: weren't we told multiple times that there would be no successor to Windows 10? That all future versions of Windows would just be updates?

Apparently this will be a free and in-place update from win10, so maybe that is compatible with what they meant by "just updates", even if it is a redesign.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by topaz0 »

topaz0 wrote: post #364
CozySoy wrote: post #24

Here they go again, messing with the start menu... Hard to believe that they didn't learn from Windows 8, but they didn't. Also: weren't we told multiple times that there would be no successor to Windows 10? That all future versions of Windows would just be updates?

Apparently this will be a free and in-place update from win10, so maybe that is compatible with what they meant by "just updates", even if it is a redesign.

Which, by the way, is pretty strong evidence that you will be the product (even if it weren't for the talk of "weaving in with your life" or whatever).

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Narishma »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #312
neogodless wrote: post #94

Here's a tool to check if your PC meets the hardware requirements[0]. However, it looks like many modern systems don't have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS, and will come back with "This PC can't run Windows 11" (including mine - Asus Prime X470 Pro with Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, 1.5TB storage, Radeon RX 5600 XT.) [0] https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

I guess my Phenom II-based system is SOL. No TPM, not even a connector on the motherboard, and of course it's pre-UEFI. Oh well, Windows 10 will be the last MS OS to be installed on it, 100% Linux it is.

Until Linux distributions start requiring TPM as well.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by monocasa »

Silhouette wrote: post #320
wayneftw wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter what size the screen is when I want to reach the corners. I just slam my mouse to the lower left and I know exactly where it will be.

Why is this downvoted? This is exactly the usability argument for having a bottom-left aligned Start menu, and it's based on robust evidence about how easily users can select controls of different sizes and in different places with a pointing device. If you have such a large screen that you can't quickly move your pointer to anywhere on it, I suggest that you have a bigger problem with your system than where your Sta…

Right? It's literally Fitt's Law, one of the first things we figured out for sure in UX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by messe »

blindmute wrote: post #316
Jayschwa wrote: post #280

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I replaced Windows with Linux for gaming a couple years ago, due in part to Valve's Proton. It's not perfect, but I estimate 80% of the games I play "just work" and require no tweaking. The state of things for your set of games can be evaluated with https://www.protondb.com .

I've found that a majority of games work on Linux, but they all have drastic performance hits. What can run at 200fps on Windows will be less than 140fps on Linux at the same settings.

> I've found that a majority of games work on Linux, but they all have drastic performance hits

It's probably highly dependent on your graphics drivers in fairness. But with regards to the comments on the 200 -> 140 hz drop, I have a genuine question: how much of an impact does that have unless you have a 240 hz monitor?

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by blindmute »

messe wrote: post #368
blindmute wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found that a majority of games work on Linux, but they all have drastic performance hits. What can run at 200fps on Windows will be less than 140fps on Linux at the same settings.

> I've found that a majority of games work on Linux, but they all have drastic performance hits It's probably highly dependent on your graphics drivers in fairness. But with regards to the comments on the 200 -> 140 hz drop, I have a genuine question: how much of an impact does that have unless you have a 240 hz monitor?

Not much, but there are some games where the Windows version is like 80fps and the Linux version becomes unplayable

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by chrismorgan »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #4
cblconfederate wrote: post #2

Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8/vista again? What i want from windows is speed . More and more people are going to be using them to work from home, and not on a tablet or a laptop, but on a good old desktop pc, their sales are going up. What's the rationale behind this kind of regression to terrible windows 8? Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look? > app developers can now b…

> Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look? I wouldn't mind a complete visual regression to Windows 7. In fact, I remember that Win 7 Aero only had rounded corners.

> Win 7 Aero only had rounded corners.

Except that the rounding only happened on the window decoration, which took space. The client rendering area was a full rectangle. Now, they’re cutting corners out of the client rendering area.

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