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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by masklinn »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #295
geocrasher wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah W2K was an oddity that way. I wasn't sure how to fit it in this. But TBH, it wasn't as well adopted as ME or XP and I didn't feel the need to wedge it in there. The point stands, with or without W2K in the mix.

>as well adopted as ME was ME ever adopted by anyone? I saw more W2K machines than ME back in the day

I think it was preinstalled on a lot of "consumer" machines, the boxes you'd buy did not usually have 2K instead they replaced 98 with ME.

I had one friend with an ME box, and that was the worst POS around, it was so bad.

Everybody else was either 2K or linux.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

neogodless wrote: post #94

Here's a tool to check if your PC meets the hardware requirements[0]. However, it looks like many modern systems don't have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS, and will come back with "This PC can't run Windows 11" (including mine - Asus Prime X470 Pro with Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, 1.5TB storage, Radeon RX 5600 XT.) [0] https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

I guess my Phenom II-based system is SOL. No TPM, not even a connector on the motherboard, and of course it's pre-UEFI.

Oh well, Windows 10 will be the last MS OS to be installed on it, 100% Linux it is.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by distrill »

pier25 wrote: post #266
distrill wrote: post #166

Everyone jokes about it finally being "the year of the linux desktop", but a few years ago that actually did happen to my circle. Between a mac for work and linux at home, I actually haven't touched windows in a number of years at this point, and interestingly, neither have a reasonable number of the technical people I interact with. Of the nontechnical people around me, many of them have transitioned to primarily us…

> The only people I know who still use windows adamantly are PC gamers, and they're all still on windows 7. According to Steam, 92.87% of its users are on Windows 10 and only 0.16% are still on Windows 7. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Interesting. I should have looked this up, I guess it's obvious my sample isn't large enough to be representative.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by mr_overalls »

oblio wrote: post #14

> Windows is more than just an operating system; it’s a fabric woven into our lives and in our work. Folks, if you were thinking Windows 11 will bring less telemetry, you were wrong :-)

With the growing awareness that tech giants possess intimate knowledge of our preferences, activities, and lives - and use that influence to literally addict us to technology, sell us things, influence us politically - who the f*ck wants another fantastically wealthy corporation "woven into our lives"?

I mean, honestly, does anyone else yearn for the pre-2000 Internet? It sure feels increasingly like we're living in a tech dystopia.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by ryan29 »

captainmuon wrote: post #142
Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

I don't like that they make it mandatory, but I understand why they want to push users to using MS accounts. When I set up a PC (Android phone) for non-technical users I always make sure they have a MS (Google) account. Things like backup and password reset are just so convenient that they outweigh the very theoretical privacy risk for most people.

It's a prelude to subscription Windows. Instead of having a family PC that everyone can use, every user with a Microsoft account will need a license. The OS for a family PC is eventually going up 5-10x in price IMO.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by blindmute »

Jayschwa wrote: post #280
pier25 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll keep using Windows 10 Home then. Thankfully I only use that machine for gaming.

I replaced Windows with Linux for gaming a couple years ago, due in part to Valve's Proton. It's not perfect, but I estimate 80% of the games I play "just work" and require no tweaking. The state of things for your set of games can be evaluated with https://www.protondb.com .

I've found that a majority of games work on Linux, but they all have drastic performance hits. What can run at 200fps on Windows will be less than 140fps on Linux at the same settings.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by iNane9000 »

ryan29 wrote: post #315
captainmuon wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like that they make it mandatory, but I understand why they want to push users to using MS accounts. When I set up a PC (Android phone) for non-technical users I always make sure they have a MS (Google) account. Things like backup and password reset are just so convenient that they outweigh the very theoretical privacy risk for most people.

It's a prelude to subscription Windows. Instead of having a family PC that everyone can use, every user with a Microsoft account will need a license. The OS for a family PC is eventually going up 5-10x in price IMO.

Or the use the google model and make people pay the subscription cost psychologically rather than monetarily.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Dracophoenix »

geocrasher wrote: post #35

My Primary concern with Windows 11 can be described as follows: 98 - ME XP - Vista 7 - 8 10 - 11 Has Microsoft broken the cycle? Time will tell.

It already has broken the cycle. I was a Windows Insider and have used Windows 10 since the first build in October 2014 and several builds of the bi-annual updates after that (assuming the new features/optimizations were worth the headache). The early RTM versions of 10 really sucked as far as getting UWP apps to operate without random crashing. Since Windows 8, Search of Windows has been designed horrendously and that was made worse by Windows 10 with it's "cloud-based" Bing clutter (something that still hasn't changed since). Telemetry processes gobbled up memory and disk speed on HDDs and required cmd hacks to stop. A plus for Windows 10 is that the OS itself is stable and robust even on early Insider builds. Bad Patch Tuesdays and hibernation issues notwithstanding, it takes quite a bit of effort to get the OS to BSOD. But Windows 10 would have been better of as a reskinned and optimized Windows 7 + MS Store than the perennial Beta test OS that Windows 10 became. And it doesn't look like Windows 11 is going to be all that different in the respect.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by SamuelAdams »

pvg wrote: post #182
jandrese wrote: post #106

Do you think they finally finished the control panel transition? Window 10's control panel thing feels like it was stopped halfway through development, so they left the old stuff in there but made it hard to access. Unfortunately most of the time when you need to change something it's not on the new control panel so you have to dig for the old one instead. When Windows 10 was first released I figured they would finis…

When Windows 10 was first released I figured they would finish up the new control panel and deprecate the old one Some of them go back to Win2k/NT and if you start looking through them carefully, you'll probably notice the sediment layers of just about every major Windows release. I doubt that's going to change in Win 11. That said 'no progress whatsoever' is not quite accurate, most of the significant Win 10 updates…

The fun thing is too that a lot of old Win2k/NT tools / layers are the source of many security vulnerabilities. An example is font rendering in the kernel, was intended to be a performance increase back in maybe 3.1? Ended up becoming a major pain point from a security perspective.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Silhouette »

wayneftw wrote: post #175
jjcm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Left aligned makes a ton of sense until you exceed a horizontal resolution of 2k or so. The web realized this ages ago - a left aligned page doesn't work at large screen sizes. With the web it isn't as critical (often times we have a browser window smaller than our full screen), but for a taskbar that spans the full horizontal resolution, left aligned doesn't make sense when you have a 5k ultrawide. Screen sizes will…

It doesn't matter what size the screen is when I want to reach the corners. I just slam my mouse to the lower left and I know exactly where it will be.

Why is this downvoted? This is exactly the usability argument for having a bottom-left aligned Start menu, and it's based on robust evidence about how easily users can select controls of different sizes and in different places with a pointing device.

If you have such a large screen that you can't quickly move your pointer to anywhere on it, I suggest that you have a bigger problem with your system than where your Start menu appears.

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