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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

haolez wrote: post #12

Windows nowadays feels like a carefully crafted piece of software built by brilliant engineering and UX teams that, just before release, gets crapped all over by ads teams with annoyances and dark patterns. It must be frustrating to work in the former.

I am reading this and it is only HN rules that make me give it a benefit of doubt. Windows simply cannot be carefully crafted at this stage for one simple reason. It is built on a foundation of compatibility ( which also happens to be its selling point ). The UX I can't really comment on. I don't like it, but I accept regular users may disagree.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by pvg »

jandrese wrote: post #106

Do you think they finally finished the control panel transition? Window 10's control panel thing feels like it was stopped halfway through development, so they left the old stuff in there but made it hard to access. Unfortunately most of the time when you need to change something it's not on the new control panel so you have to dig for the old one instead. When Windows 10 was first released I figured they would finis…

When Windows 10 was first released I figured they would finish up the new control panel and deprecate the old one

Some of them go back to Win2k/NT and if you start looking through them carefully, you'll probably notice the sediment layers of just about every major Windows release. I doubt that's going to change in Win 11. That said 'no progress whatsoever' is not quite accurate, most of the significant Win 10 updates have expanded what the new control panels can do.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by grishka »

benrbray wrote: post #86
haolez wrote: post #12

Windows nowadays feels like a carefully crafted piece of software built by brilliant engineering and UX teams that, just before release, gets crapped all over by ads teams with annoyances and dark patterns. It must be frustrating to work in the former.

How innovative, more P A D D I N G around everything! What's information density? I guess all the UI controls need to social distance? Big ScrollWheel™ did it again!

You just don't understand, those touchscreens no one uses with any kind of seriousness are very very very important.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by GordonS »

yunohn wrote: post #70
croes wrote: post #41

>Why Microsoft is calling Windows 10 'the last version of Windows' https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve... There you see again what Microsoft's statements are worth.

They’re doing a free upgrade for W10 users, and making a new “numbered version”, to signify the significant changes. I’m not sure why this is that problematic?

So, Windows 10 is my daily-driver (Enterprise eds), and I love it. I'm a big fan of Windows in general.

But Microsoft did say that Windows 10 was going to be theast version of Windows, with incremental updates thereafter; I don't see why they need to change that to accommodate what appears to be little more than an unwanted UI refresh with more crappy AI-driven news feeds that nobody wants. From everything I've seen, Windows 11 looks like it's very much an incremental update over the Windows 10 of today.

So why not have a Windows 10 feature update? What is the point of this?

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cestith »

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

NeXTSTEP specifically, for the browser and the server.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by polshaw »

pier25 wrote: post #16

> We’re also pumped to announce that we are bringing Android apps to Windows for the first time This is super cool, but honestly I don't see myself using any Android apps on Windows.

I run chromeOS as my daily driver, and find a few android apps quite useful (I run linux apps too). There are lots of apps that are mobile-only which are nice to have a second copy of or use the big screen; google maps is possibly my favourite, much better than the web version.

There's also just more developer focus on android than windows for a lot of small apps like free VPNs, currency converters etc, leading to better choice/quality/discoverability than native windows apps.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by captainmuon »

speeder wrote: post #167
captainmuon wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people complain about ads in Windows I wonder if they are seeing a different version than I am. Maybe it is the difference between US and EU or Home and Pro versions? They do place links to third party games in the start menu upon installation. And they also inform about first party services where it makes sense (like OneDrive in Explorer, and Office365 when trying to edit a Word file). I wouldn't consider the f…

I've seen ads on the lockscreen and on the start menu. Also I've seen Windows updates install games without my permission. (for example once it installed Candy Crush). The live tiles can display whatever MS wants, and sometimes what MS wanted there was ads for random applications and games.

Ah you're right I do recall Windows Update installing a game by itself. That was freaking annoying because it happened when I was creating a master image in "audit mode". And you couldn't "generalize" it anymore in order to clone it, because a UWP app was installed.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by roody15 »

captainmuon wrote: post #142
Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

I don't like that they make it mandatory, but I understand why they want to push users to using MS accounts. When I set up a PC (Android phone) for non-technical users I always make sure they have a MS (Google) account. Things like backup and password reset are just so convenient that they outweigh the very theoretical privacy risk for most people.

theoretical … lol

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

vxNsr wrote: post #171
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>teams team It still a little mindblowing to me that teams steals focus like it does at startup. Windows boots relatively slowly that I could be in an Outlook window or typing in a URL or whatever after a fresh reboot and then teams just steals my mouse and keyboard. I've trained myself to not do anything until teams starts (and being an electron app, it certainly takes its time) because I'm so annoyed by focus steal…

There’s a setting to open teams in the background/minimized. I’ve never seen that not work. If you want the window to open at startup as a window… then it’s working as expected, it’s not stealing focus, you told it to open at startup and above everything, zoom, steam, origin, VPN, did the same thing when I allowed them to open at startup maximized. Not sure why you’re using the Xbox app, but I believe it also has the…

I don't see that as working as expected nor do I appreciate having to hunt and peck through settings to find this setting. The default should be for it to a polite application like any other. Awful defaults is exactly the dark pattern I'm complaining about. Just because Microsoft generously allows me to not have this awful behavior if I manually find this setting is not the big counter to my argument that you seem to think it is.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by yunohn »

GordonS wrote: post #184
yunohn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re doing a free upgrade for W10 users, and making a new “numbered version”, to signify the significant changes. I’m not sure why this is that problematic?

So, Windows 10 is my daily-driver (Enterprise eds), and I love it. I'm a big fan of Windows in general. But Microsoft did say that Windows 10 was going to be theast version of Windows, with incremental updates thereafter; I don't see why they need to change that to accommodate what appears to be little more than an unwanted UI refresh with more crappy AI-driven news feeds that nobody wants. From everything I've seen,…

Why does it matter to you as an end user, if they change the version number?
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