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Microsoft is bringing Android apps to Windows 11

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> Google is shunted out of the Microsoft eco-system iOS is 54.33% of all tablets, Android is 45.57%. Microsoft, Amazon, and everyone else combined account for 0.1% It doesn't seem like an ecosystem Google has the time to worry about.

54% of all tablets in USA maybe? It's more like 5.4% of all tablets in reality

Worldwide. In the US it is slightly higher. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

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My guess is that apps written in java/kotlin are easy to run in a x86 compatible android runtime. The difficulty is for native code, the arm libraries embedded in many apps. Actually most Android app depends on native libs. For image processing for example. Nearly all games are using native arm binaries. The sentence you quoted is probably related to native code only, which is the difficult part. It looks like they h…

oh this makes more sense: JVM apps run in Windows with some simple JVM container. Intel Bridge Technology is only needed for the apps that have compiled native code.

> some simple JVM container

no, there's a new NT subsystem to support this: Windows Subsystem for Android, and as you could guess from the name, it is somewhat related to WSL.

the NT kernel was always designed to accommodate multiple subsystems running at once. Until WSL, there was only ever the Windows subsystem itself. soon there will be a third subsystem one can install.

this is neat, to me.

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This is an absolute win-win for Microsoft and Amazon. Microsoft gets Android Apps, Amazon expands its app store and Google is shunted out of the Microsoft eco-system. I see this as an absolute brilliant thing to happen to the app ecosystem. I really hope innovation accelerates on the Amazon App store.

> Google is shunted out of the Microsoft eco-system iOS is 54.33% of all tablets, Android is 45.57%. Microsoft, Amazon, and everyone else combined account for 0.1% It doesn't seem like an ecosystem Google has the time to worry about.

I expect Amazon would be included under Android in those numbers.

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To be honest I have no idea why someone would use Android apps on Windows? Popular apps can be used via the web-browser or even have a separat desktop app (e.g., whatsapp, facebook, youtube, ...). That is similar with games. Edit: apps which require sensors, such as gps, gyro, etc. wouldn't work anyway...

I don't use Snapchat so I could be mistaken but I don't think it works in a web browser or in a desktop app. There could be some others as well.

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The security implications of this are interesting. There are some apps, namely Snapchat and Instagram, that guarantee privacy by taking advantage of the phone APIs that inform the app about screenshots. You can in theory work around those today with rooted/jailbroken phones, but those are a tiny part of the ecosystem. But if everyone can run Snapchat on Windows, that kinda changes the whole game, unless they support…

How is Windows currently guaranteeing safety of DRM'ed media content? I seem to recall that you cannot play back some types of content on Windows for example if kernel debugging is enabled. Maybe they aren't that far from being able to guarantee that pixels aren't being grabbed for apps that do not want to have their pixels grabbed?

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But why? I can think of exactly 0 Android apps I would like to run on my Windows desktop (and I've been an Android user since the original Samsung Galaxy S). Is this really something people crave to do?

I am not sure this is for consumers. If you are a developer though, this is clearly pretty attractive.

I can see that, especially since the Android emulators have been historically terrible (never tried the Intel one though, which maybe had some of this tech?).

But this was highlighted in the video clearly targeted at consumers with great fanfare, so I don't know...

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> ”Games”: hard to say, because Windows is a better platform for games than Android by 10x. Note that there are quite a few commercial "Android on PC" emulators already, e.g. https://www.memuplay.com/ , https://www.bluestacks.com/ and https://www.bignox.com/ . In terms of scale, Bluestacks claim they have 50 million monthly active users which makes them pretty substantial! From https://www.bluestacks.com/promote-your…

I use Bluestacks to run home automation programs. It subjects me to ads for third-rate games that I can't imagine people play. First-tier Android games like F/GO and Genshin Impact seem to be disabled on non-phone devices, particularly Bluestacks and Android TV. I see a huge amount of fan art from those games, but I wonder if gaming on Bluestacks is just a Potemkin Village.

One example: Freefire is one of the largest mobile first person shooters with more than 100M monthly active users. "Pro" players and streamers tend use to BlueStacks.

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Right, but if no-one picks up the torch of maintaining and developing Android and giving it away to device manufacturers, I'd imagine going with the new Google OS that they are going to do that for, would be very tempting. Most phone manufacturers haven't shown an interest in putting a ton of work into the Android, themselves, even just to customize it beyond adding some shovel-ware and maybe a theme (notable excepti…

If Google were to ditch Android for Fuchsia, I could see this Microsoft/Amazon alliance stepping in and saying they'll build Android moving forward.

Fuchsia is a kernel, not operating system. Google intends to swap Linux under Android to Fuchsia. One reason is the bad track record of Linux supporting device drivers.
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