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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by vxNsr »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #112
tehbeard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk, it feels like the UX team has been hitting the whiskey, and the UI team slapped something together to squeeze out a pay rise. And then the ads team garnishes that with terribleness. And now, the teams team wants to make it worse.

>teams team It still a little mindblowing to me that teams steals focus like it does at startup. Windows boots relatively slowly that I could be in an Outlook window or typing in a URL or whatever after a fresh reboot and then teams just steals my mouse and keyboard. I've trained myself to not do anything until teams starts (and being an electron app, it certainly takes its time) because I'm so annoyed by focus steal…

There’s a setting to open teams in the background/minimized. I’ve never seen that not work. If you want the window to open at startup as a window… then it’s working as expected, it’s not stealing focus, you told it to open at startup and above everything, zoom, steam, origin, VPN, did the same thing when I allowed them to open at startup maximized.

Not sure why you’re using the Xbox app, but I believe it also has the option to open in background.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by dekhn »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #162
dekhn wrote: post #57

The only real question is, will I still be able to get to the Network card configuration page that's been the same for the last 15-20 years? I use it daily. They've just put it behind more and more "nicce looking, but non-functional" network management UIs,.

Oh yeah.. I fucking hate Windows 10, a few weeks ago I had to check these settings and I got lost every time.. I think they've completed the web-pagization of the control panel nowadays.

Well, right now it's: Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Network and Internet -> Network and Sharing Center -> Change adapter settings. I'm sure they will add " -> Ad for Steve Ballmer's Basketball Team -> ".

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by AbraKdabra »

Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

They have really obsure stuff going on but I don't actually think they'll deny it even if you're not connected, that'll raise a LOT of legal actions against them.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by wayneftw »

jjcm wrote: post #60
tyingq wrote: post #39

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I'm not a fan. A centered dock does look pretty, but to me it's not as intuitive as a left-aligned screen. Especially since you would be navigating to the "Start" menu a lot. Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural than "some random offset of dead bottom center". I can't tell if the icons get larger as you hover. That sort of magnifies this problem, as the start button would shift left as other icons are highlig…

Left aligned makes a ton of sense until you exceed a horizontal resolution of 2k or so. The web realized this ages ago - a left aligned page doesn't work at large screen sizes. With the web it isn't as critical (often times we have a browser window smaller than our full screen), but for a taskbar that spans the full horizontal resolution, left aligned doesn't make sense when you have a 5k ultrawide. Screen sizes will…

It doesn't matter what size the screen is when I want to reach the corners. I just slam my mouse to the lower left and I know exactly where it will be.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by okamiueru »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #156
okamiueru wrote: post #128

The main thing that would be of interest to me: - Have they replaced/improved the NT kernel [1]? - Have they replaced the ancient registry? [2] The answer to either was not to be found. I'll bet windows 11 will still be a backwards-compatible mess if the answer to either is `no`. [1]: http://blog.zorinaq.com/i-contribute-to-the-windows-kernel-w... [2]: https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/why-the-windows-regist...

There is a developer-focused event soon. But I wouldn't expect significant changes. Probably more focus on Teams and Store apps. At noon PDT: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=egZ82QGshX8 Possible content: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2021/06/24/what-w...

I would also be surprised if there are significant changes. Windows is a marvel at being backwards compatible, which I doubt they will be able to get away from. Here's to hoping. Do you know when that dev conference is?

Edit: Saw your edit answered my question. Thanks :)

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cestith »

I wonder what Sir Tim Berners-Lee would have to say about the Web being born on Windows. Both WorldWideWeb (the first Web browser) and CERN httpd (the first Web server) were developed on NeXTSTEP.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by zxzax »

cblconfederate wrote: post #68
zxzax wrote: post #43

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I don't think so, the studies I've seen actually show the number of touchscreen devices is growing, and desktop PCs are shrinking.

but how are their sales doing? given the kind of apps that run on a PC, i think the touchscreen is just a gimmick that is barely used. Windows programs are just not made for tablets, and will never be

The sales seem to be increasing, I wouldn't say it's a gimmick. Also touch support is not just for touchscreens, most laptops now have multi-touch touchpads where you can do gestures. Making a program support those already puts it significantly closer to having real touchscreen support, so it's not as hard or difficult as you'd imagine for older Windows programs to gain good tablet support.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by freeone3000 »

indigochill wrote: post #159
cblconfederate wrote: post #2

Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8/vista again? What i want from windows is speed . More and more people are going to be using them to work from home, and not on a tablet or a laptop, but on a good old desktop pc, their sales are going up. What's the rationale behind this kind of regression to terrible windows 8? Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look? > app developers can now b…

>> app developers can now bring their own commerce into our Store and keep 100% of the revenue – Microsoft takes nothing. App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15 > This is great. That's how it s done It can't go on, though. Why won't every developer turn their app "free" and use Stripe or something to shave even more off the commerce fees? Meanwhile Microsoft eats hosting/mai…

This is fine? It means more people are on the platform and using Windows. Remember, Microsoft still makes money from every Windows computer sold.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by roody15 »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #139
haolez wrote: post #12

Windows nowadays feels like a carefully crafted piece of software built by brilliant engineering and UX teams that, just before release, gets crapped all over by ads teams with annoyances and dark patterns. It must be frustrating to work in the former.

Windows LTSC helps a lot in this respect.

Priced way to high for what it is. Also hard for regular hobbyist and enthusiast to purchase. (IMO)
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