Introducing Windows 11 • Hacker News Board

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by simiones » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

toomanyducks wrote: post #108

Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

I think a recent version of Windows I had the misfortune of setting up also required a Ms account: no option for a local install. It's also possible that I'm just stupid and didn't see it, but (shrug)

It should, even on the latest Window 10 builds, but only if your computer is not connected to the Internet...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by efsavage » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #48

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

I'm sure they're refering to the undying love every single web developer had for Internet Explorer.

In the late 90s, IE4 and then IE5 was the gold standard. We were all ecstatic when we didn't have to support Netscape 4 anymore. It wasn't until Firefox (more specifically Firebug) was mature that IE lost the crown.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by phreack » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

If that's true, then I'll be forced to move many people's PCs to another OS after decades of Windows. I hope they reverse that decision, it's so hostile.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

> Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection.

So they will finally get what they couldn't finalize in W10. These folks have no shame.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by elyonerus » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

witherk wrote: post #78

coder543 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this holiday Which holiday? Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year, Labor Day... Fourth of July? Maybe Halloween would be appropriate, given how scary any major Windows upgrade is to enterprise orgs. If they said "this holiday season ", that would probably mean December timeframe, but they don't say that. They repeat this confusing reference later on: > The free upgrade will begin to roll out to eligible Windows 10 PCs…

rofl, they mean December you pedant

Holiday almost always means sometime mid-November to December.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by verall » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

unicornporn wrote: post #15

So, yet another level of UI inconsistencies[1]. [1] https://ntdotdev.wordpress.com/2021/02/06/state-of-the-windo...

Its so bad.

I don't know how this doesn't bug other people more. It's completely unfinished. Plenty of settings haven't moved from their XP or Windows 7 menus, as new "metro" 8/10 settings menus are created that have missing settings, new settings, and conflicting settings.

The new W10 interface to set a static IP will conflict with the old one (adapter properties) without telling you. Happy debugging.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by TheRealDunkirk » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

Is there anything Microsoft could do with the OS that would really matter? Corporate purchases account for what?, 80%?, 90%? of Windows sales? My prediction: This version will still have (nearly) weekly root-level 0-day patches, but companies will continue to eat it up with a fork and spoon, because it lets them do such things as dictate to their corporate laptop fleet how long the screensaver can run before it locks. And the relatively few people who choose to use the OS for gaming (or on their Surface) will find things to be happy about, and life will go on as usual.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by verst » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #120

Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

Does macOS require an Apple account?

No, you don't have to sign in with an Apple ID, but the O/S certainly strongly encourages you to do so upon installation (or first boot of a new Mac)

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by MegaDeKay » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

haolez wrote: post #12

Windows nowadays feels like a carefully crafted piece of software built by brilliant engineering and UX teams that, just before release, gets crapped all over by ads teams with annoyances and dark patterns. It must be frustrating to work in the former.

Windows LTSC helps a lot in this respect.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Strom » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

prakhargurunani wrote: post #79

Strom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary slowdown factor on Windows is not the filesystem itself but Windows Defender doing its scans. Just disable it and file operations will be a lot faster.

Transfer times are definitely high in windows when compared to linux systems. I don't think Windows defender may affect file transfer directly.

Windows Defender has a massive impact on file transfers, especially small files. For example on my laptop with a NVMe SSD, unpacking the Golang zip file goes from seconds to minutes with Windows Defender enabled.