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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Silhouette »

tyingq wrote: post #39
kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

I'm not a fan. A centered dock does look pretty, but to me it's not as intuitive as a left-aligned screen. Especially since you would be navigating to the "Start" menu a lot. Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural than "some random offset of dead bottom center". I can't tell if the icons get larger as you hover. That sort of magnifies this problem, as the start button would shift left as other icons are highlig…

Fitts' Law didn't stop making the corners of a screen the most reliably reached parts just because some UI designer at Microsoft likes central alignment. I expect that central placement for the Start button to be objectively less efficient for users who frequently use that button, even if it's just a small but frequent irritation.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by numpad0 »

tyingq wrote: post #39
kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

I'm not a fan. A centered dock does look pretty, but to me it's not as intuitive as a left-aligned screen. Especially since you would be navigating to the "Start" menu a lot. Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural than "some random offset of dead bottom center". I can't tell if the icons get larger as you hover. That sort of magnifies this problem, as the start button would shift left as other icons are highlig…

Left aligned taskbar sucks for 5760x1080

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by ComputerGuru »

dmd wrote: post #61
tyingq wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan. A centered dock does look pretty, but to me it's not as intuitive as a left-aligned screen. Especially since you would be navigating to the "Start" menu a lot. Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural than "some random offset of dead bottom center". I can't tell if the icons get larger as you hover. That sort of magnifies this problem, as the start button would shift left as other icons are highlig…

> Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural There's a name for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law and the fact that their UI people somehow have forgotten about it speaks volumes.

I don’t think Fitt’s takes into account the “end of screen” concept, though? I guess it makes the width of the element infinite in some regards.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

#94

Post by neogodless »

Here's a tool to check if your PC meets the hardware requirements[0].

However, it looks like many modern systems don't have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS, and will come back with "This PC can't run Windows 11" (including mine - Asus Prime X470 Pro with Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, 1.5TB storage, Radeon RX 5600 XT.)

[0] https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cblconfederate »

haolez wrote: post #12

Windows nowadays feels like a carefully crafted piece of software built by brilliant engineering and UX teams that, just before release, gets crapped all over by ads teams with annoyances and dark patterns. It must be frustrating to work in the former.

They had a good product with win7, they can afford to ruin it some more. If anything windows has stagnated for decade+ in terms of UI apart from cosmetic nonsense, and that's probably a good thing

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by souldeux »

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

More accurately: the web survived Windows

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by wwweston »

cryptoz wrote: post #58
NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

Yeah that line, along with others, is almost offensive. Microsoft tried really hard to stop the open web during the time they were building early Windows. They're trying to take credit for something that popular that they tried really hard to stop.

"We tried to adopt, extend and extinguish this golden child in our possessive embrace, hobble it to us as was our custom, but it grew up all the stronger for fighting us, and shouldn't we all be grateful for that?"

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Daedren »

IAmMaulik wrote: post #74
pier25 wrote: post #16

> We’re also pumped to announce that we are bringing Android apps to Windows for the first time This is super cool, but honestly I don't see myself using any Android apps on Windows.

It is just like Apple did with their new M1 MacBooks

Yeah but the question is, would this only be for ARM Windows?

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by witherk »

cblconfederate wrote: post #63
fasdfefff wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15 But there isn't a perpetual Agreement guaranteeing MS won't ever increase its cut in the future when its store becomes more popular. The Store hasn't yet been terribly successful. Most of my Windows apps are installed outside the MS store: Notepad++, VSCodium, Steam, and so on. So MS will try to get more apps in the Store and then loc…

It doesn't even matter, unless microsoft stops allowing programs outside the app store. But that will never happen given their ecosystem.

You know I kind of wish windows had a store, but then I tired installing apps using the current store and it's a terrible experience. They make it so hard for people with more than 1 hard drive to manage what goes where.
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