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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by dmd »

tyingq wrote: post #39
kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

I'm not a fan. A centered dock does look pretty, but to me it's not as intuitive as a left-aligned screen. Especially since you would be navigating to the "Start" menu a lot. Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural than "some random offset of dead bottom center". I can't tell if the icons get larger as you hover. That sort of magnifies this problem, as the start button would shift left as other icons are highlig…

> Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural

There's a name for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law

and the fact that their UI people somehow have forgotten about it speaks volumes.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by tyingq »

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

Yeah, that's an odd statement. Windows 3 didn't exist in 1989, and nobody really used Windows 2. The web wasn't "born" there for sure.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cblconfederate »

fasdfefff wrote: post #37
cblconfederate wrote: post #2

Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8/vista again? What i want from windows is speed . More and more people are going to be using them to work from home, and not on a tablet or a laptop, but on a good old desktop pc, their sales are going up. What's the rationale behind this kind of regression to terrible windows 8? Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look? > app developers can now b…

> App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15 But there isn't a perpetual Agreement guaranteeing MS won't ever increase its cut in the future when its store becomes more popular. The Store hasn't yet been terribly successful. Most of my Windows apps are installed outside the MS store: Notepad++, VSCodium, Steam, and so on. So MS will try to get more apps in the Store and then loc…

It doesn't even matter, unless microsoft stops allowing programs outside the app store. But that will never happen given their ecosystem.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by madeofpalk »

tyingq wrote: post #39
kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

I'm not a fan. A centered dock does look pretty, but to me it's not as intuitive as a left-aligned screen. Especially since you would be navigating to the "Start" menu a lot. Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural than "some random offset of dead bottom center". I can't tell if the icons get larger as you hover. That sort of magnifies this problem, as the start button would shift left as other icons are highlig…

You can change the alignment to the "classic" left.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by xattt »

izacus wrote: post #48
NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

I'm sure they're refering to the undying love every single web developer had for Internet Explorer.

That's completely the way I remember it!

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by DrBazza »

destructionator wrote: post #54
kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

yeah im at the first screenshot and it just looks awful Have Microsoft forgotten the lessons they learned so hard since 1995? The start button being in the corner has real usability benefits. They ruined the taskbar a long time ago, the button grouping thing is absolutely horrible and can only be partially turned off... hopefully they at a minimum kept the full button option somewhere. And the centering... if new stu…

The people 'reviewing' the leak last week mentioned that you can move the Start button back to the corner rather than having it centered.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Strom »

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the fallback local account creation option. [2] A sad day indeed if this is no longer possible.

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[1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22548480/windows-11-home-...

[2] https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cblconfederate »

zxzax wrote: post #43
cblconfederate wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

increasingly common but still a tiny minority of their user base. others shouldn't suffer for that

I don't think so, the studies I've seen actually show the number of touchscreen devices is growing, and desktop PCs are shrinking.

but how are their sales doing? given the kind of apps that run on a PC, i think the touchscreen is just a gimmick that is barely used. Windows programs are just not made for tablets, and will never be

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by yunohn »

croes wrote: post #41

>Why Microsoft is calling Windows 10 'the last version of Windows' https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve... There you see again what Microsoft's statements are worth.

They’re doing a free upgrade for W10 users, and making a new “numbered version”, to signify the significant changes.

I’m not sure why this is that problematic?

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