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Is education no longer the ‘great equalizer’?

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Re: Is education no longer the ‘great equalizer’?

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> Of course at the top, it matters a lot, but isn't a lot of mobility also driven by more average careers? Given wage stagnation across much of the Western world, largely driven by "liberal" economic and monetary policy, there is a lot of downward pressure on the benefits of "average" (Non FAANG) careers.

> largely driven by "liberal" economic and monetary policy Mind expanding a little more on that?

IANAE - but this is my understanding.

Until the early 70's the primary method of managing national economies was via the level of spending a country enacted with less regard given to the level of debt a country held. Economies were more tightly regulated, protections were much stronger in many western countries, and union participation was more common than today.

After a round of economic crisis, with each of them seemingly resistant to influence by the economic tools of the day, countries began to move toward managing their economies through a) promoting the freedom of the market (liberalism) and b) managing spending and economic control through the availability of money (monetary policy), with centralisation of national interest rate levels enacted through central banks.

This worked to a greater or lesser degree (economists seemingly cannot agree) and governments became more open to reform of economic institutions to give more power to the market. This has led to a lessening of strength in those areas of the economy which can impact the free-market (i.e. union membership) and has now become a force for removing non-economic impediments to corporations to seek the lowest wages possible (such as immigration reform to reduce labour costs, etc).

Meanwhile monetary policy has led to ever-decreasing interest rates, which has led to previously "non-economic" goods to become commodities. Housing is a great example, with houses now considered by many to be an asset class which should return continual return in capital value, rather than as a right. Bank accounts are returning functionally zero and less than zero percent returns, which impacts the poor most of all. NFT, crypto, etc, are another - these did not exist prior to monetary policy but they are reacting like an asset class whose existence is used as a stop-gap by those borrowers to avoid holding cash. The world is sloshing with free and near-free money, and it is sending asset classes crazy.

So, costs go up for the poor as they are competing for essentials with rich people who see the same good as an asset class to park investment. The poor get higher interest rates on their loans, so their cost of living goes up. Their wages are negatively impacted through increased competition with people not only in their local area, but globally. Their bank accounts - which previously have returned at a rate higher than inflation, are now being eaten away by fees, negative rates AND inflation.

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Generational wealth is way overstated. Steve jobs didn’t have generational wealth. Airbnb was funded by selling obama branded cereal.

Yes, we can point to exceptions.

Inherited wealth is rather an exception: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/majority-of-the-worlds-riche...

Of course, rich kid will not end up like poor kid, but they will be much less rich than their parents.

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I hear this a lot and I have a hard time believing it. What is something the rich have done with the intent to destroy the middle class? Your example with public vs private schools has less to do with diminishing public schools and everything to do with their maximizing their own children's education. If we end private schools, do we still allow paid tutors? If so, I don't see how that field gets levelled.

>What is something the rich have done with the intent to destroy the middle class? Vigorously target labor unions. Lobby for substantial decreases in state and Federal taxation, reductions that have in turn necessitated major reductions in education spending and substantial tuition increases that hit middle class families [1]. Attempt (so far unsuccessfully) to privatize social security. Strongly oppose healthcare re…

You are conflating "rich" with "not socialist".

Re: Is education no longer the ‘great equalizer’?

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Generational wealth is way overstated. Steve jobs didn’t have generational wealth. Airbnb was funded by selling obama branded cereal.

Yes, we can point to exceptions.

What exceptions? Don't you have any restaurants or dry cleaners or any other small businesses around where you live which were started by poor immigrants?

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Moving to areas with "good schools" is one. Only schools where wealthy people live get good funding, so when they concentrate where they live to one place, everywhere else suffers

The US has some of the best-funded public schools in the world and some of the worst outcomes in public schools. “Funding” is a red herring at best and an excuse for extractive politics in reality. It turns out that life outcomes have approximately nothing whatsoever to do with how much money your childhood schools got. It also strikes me as quite perverse to blame people who are able to move their children out of sc…

Money isn't relevant but reputation is. My primary school was best is county(so like best/2M people). I would bet that without it I wouldn't be where I am now. I know how drastic difference is because some of my siblings went to local school. Most difference IMO is in seeding ambition and giving motivation and encouragement early in life. I was just told I can achieve anything I want and I just know it, while all they got was fear, dumb teachers and punishment for out-of-the-box thinking. Actually teachers unions are why you can't fire the worst teachers there. I think you cannot get really rich without knowing such people and easiest way where people mix are extracircullar activities so I recommend sparing some $ for kids on those.

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Has education ever been ? Can it ever be ? I'm not sure it makes sense to hope that anything could prevent offspring to be more similar (and have more similar lives) to their parents that to random member of their species. Gregory Clark is very sobering in this regard :

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/110873/1/Working_Paper_67.pdf

EDIT: See also https://edi.opml.co.uk/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Kyrg...

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Decades of Republican ratfucking the education system isn't a reason to add more overhead to a starved system by privatizing it. > Better than... We know what deregulation does. Texas' energy issues is a great example. People forget that regulations don't just magically exist to inconvenience the glorious free market... Regulations are written in blood.

Ahh yes, the hordes of San Francisco Republicans… oh wait, the city hasn’t had a Republican since the 70’s.

Yet magically, when the state has held a Democratic majority, the first time there's been a budget surplus since the dot-com boom.

The city is not the top level when it comes to funding, champ. It takes, literally in this case, a decade to start to undo the damage of Republican misappropriation and sabotage.

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Decades of Republican ratfucking the education system isn't a reason to add more overhead to a starved system by privatizing it. > Better than... We know what deregulation does. Texas' energy issues is a great example. People forget that regulations don't just magically exist to inconvenience the glorious free market... Regulations are written in blood.

Ahh yes, the hordes of San Francisco Republicans… oh wait, the city hasn’t had a Republican since the 70’s.

> oh wait, the city hasn’t had a Republican since the 70’s.

I’m pretty sure there is a word missing in this sentence that radically alters its meaning (I can think of several candidates, either before or after “Republican”, that might make it true), but SF definitely has some Republicans.

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Ahh yes, the hordes of San Francisco Republicans… oh wait, the city hasn’t had a Republican since the 70’s.

Yet magically, when the state has held a Democratic majority, the first time there's been a budget surplus since the dot-com boom. The city is not the top level when it comes to funding, champ. It takes, literally in this case, a decade to start to undo the damage of Republican misappropriation and sabotage.

> Yet magically, when the state has held a Democratic majority, the first time there's been a budget surplus since the dot-com boom.

To be fair, that's probably as much due to a ballot measure lowering the budget threshold down from a 2/3 supermajority and thereby actually making the state governable.

OTOH, that measure was heavily pushed by the Democratic governor and legislature and opposed by Republicans, so...

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You’re making the same exact mistake that education activists have made for the last 60 years. Education does not significantly improve outcomes. Period. What people observe is that people who went to top-tier schools end up being very successful, and make the (totally false) inference that top-tier schools make you successful. In reality, the people who were almost certainly going to be successful anyway get into th…

> Education does not significantly improve outcomes. Period. Define "significant". People who don't graduate high school do much worse than people who graduate from college on average. Even if you only graduate high school, you'll (on average) make half as much over your lifetime as someone who graduated with a Master's Degree [1]. Right now (on average) - people who dropped out of college make nearly 1/3rd as much a…

All mere correlations, which don't refute GP's claim.
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