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John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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You can celebrate someone's accomplishments without condoning their sins. I applaud lots of little pieces of his life and reject/regret many others.

I agree with you, but I'm pretty sure the age of social media has us in the minority.

I agree with you guys... but this dude's accomplishments are few and purely self-serving.

Re: John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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I met John in an Atlanta airport lounge years ago[1]. I recognized him immediately as I've always admired him, and I decided to go up to him and tell him as much. He invited me to sit down, and told him about when I was a teenager in the 90s learning about tech entrepreneurs at the time, I always thought he was pretty cool and had good ideas. I told him I respected him, and that I was sure he'd lived an incredible li…

My interaction with McAfee was in the pre-internet '80s. I was called when a nearby international school got hit by a computer virus spread on floppy disks. Looking for sources of info, found the "Computer Virus Industry Association". Called, got a little bit of generic advice, and he mostly asked me to send sample disks. Turned out that the "CVIA" was basically a pretext of McAfee trolling for people like me to send samples for the anti-virus software he was writing.

Sure, mildly clever ruse, but I always felt that the way it was done was a bit off - could have been more straightforward. I guess he thought people would not help him if he didn't use the pretext.

Somehow the rest of the story does not surprise me. Making his millions seems to have given him no peace either.

RIP

Re: John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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30 years for tax evasion? No wonder he preferred to die. I mean, you’ll get jail time for severe cases of tax evasion in Germany, too, but it’s a couple of years at max and most of the time it’s on probation. How do you justify your draconic punishments in the US which is supposed to be a free country?

The sadly honest answer is that we don’t justify it. The people in power like punishing people.

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Do the past statements of a clearly unhinged individual need to be taken seriously?

Unless you are very sure that McAfee was "clearly unhinged individual", it is a strong statement and ad hominem. Doesn't help add to the discussion than mere gossip.

We don't have to go any further than the tweet that started this thread: McAfee claimed to be "getting subtle messages" from officials in the American government threatening to kill him.

He was a clearly unhinged individual.

Re: John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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He’s a murderer and fraudster. You do not in fact have to applaud him for anything.

You can celebrate someone's accomplishments without condoning their sins. I applaud lots of little pieces of his life and reject/regret many others.

I feel like there are some obvious problems with celebrating successes without making room for what the person did to achieve that success.

As an example: it would be odd to celebrate Amazon's financial success without mentioning their labor practices. Agree or disagree with them, they are part of how Amazon is able to make money.

If people are more than the worst thing they have ever done, then they are also more than the best thing they ever did. Talking about either in isolation is deceptive.

Re: John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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30 years for tax evasion? No wonder he preferred to die. I mean, you’ll get jail time for severe cases of tax evasion in Germany, too, but it’s a couple of years at max and most of the time it’s on probation. How do you justify your draconic punishments in the US which is supposed to be a free country?

US Citizenship in reality is an IRS trap.

Now Biden wants to hire 87,000 more IRS workers to harass americans.

This used to be a great country.

Times long gone.

Re: John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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I have hard time believing this, either that he died or his motive. Tax evasion has one of the most lenient punishments of white collar crimes.

He had enough charges lined up (up to 5 years for every count, IIRC) that he would likely be imprisoned for life. Goes without saying but he was also an incredibly paranoid person.

> He had enough charges lined up (up to 5 years for every count, IIRC) that he would likely be imprisoned for life

Usually, without aggravating circumstances, federal sentences would run concurrently, though thr multiplicity might push them up within the range permitted. So, lots of nonviolent up to 5 years per count crimes with no particular extreme factors likely adds up to...about 5 years.

Which at his age might still be a sizable fraction of his life, and he wouldn't be the first person to act based on an unrealistic estimate based on what is theoretically possible rather than likely.

Re: John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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30 years for tax evasion? No wonder he preferred to die. I mean, you’ll get jail time for severe cases of tax evasion in Germany, too, but it’s a couple of years at max and most of the time it’s on probation. How do you justify your draconic punishments in the US which is supposed to be a free country?

US indeed has draconian punishments. However 30 years is a starting/worst case scenario to encourage a plea bargain.

Plea bargains are horrendous and really should be banned or made extremely rare.

Re: John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves extradition to US

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30 years for tax evasion? No wonder he preferred to die. I mean, you’ll get jail time for severe cases of tax evasion in Germany, too, but it’s a couple of years at max and most of the time it’s on probation. How do you justify your draconic punishments in the US which is supposed to be a free country?

You're not free to not pay your taxes

(take that as an abstract comment, I have no view or knowledge on McAfee and his personal tax affairs)

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