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New Kind of Paper

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Re: New Kind of Paper

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I've been disappointed at how limited the pen input is on the iPad. Few apps support it and its built-in understanding of text has a very simplistic model.

Do you know about Scribble? It was new to iPadOS 14, and works everywhere you can write with the keyboard.

I do -- the Mac has had that feature since forever (if you plugged in a tablet like a Wacom). A shame Apple doesn't seem to respect the Mac any more -- it's a great example of a use case that went from the Mac to the iPad.

I prefer to take notes with a pen. The built in Notes app seems to think you write in a notebook the way you type into one: that each line contains one topic. But in fact when writing notes I tend to make columns of stuff on the right (mostly stray thoughts or TODOs that come up, or list of action items, or an outline, or meeting attendees, or who knows what). I add missing points or clarifications elsewhere and use an arrow to show where they go. Notes agglomerates them all together based on vertical distance from the top edge.

Notability and Goodnotes have some editing that is better than Notes and some that is clumsier. Notability and Soulver and most other apps don't recognize the pencil at all.

What they all need to do is do some actual user research and explore how people use paper and use some machine learning to do a better job of inferring what the user is up to. Some of them (including apple) do that when you draw a triangle or circle but at the end of the day those are just party tricks.

I do assume more effort has gone into the drawing/"painting" capabilities. That's not my use case so I can't tell. But I doubt those applications require or bear the same kind of semantic interpretation that's required for freeform text.

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video from the past were amazing, considering it is just in couple of decades after invention of transistor. ( I think that is because before invention of transistor, we already had mathemetical foundation of computation almost ready. ) in current era, do we have something that needs to be invent ? ( i.e. different part of the science can predict it, but the actual part of the science is falling behind ? )

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I find the current state of the art on stylus text entry so disappointing. I made a hacky prototype 7 years ago (!) and this kind of direct interaction remains a dream: https://youtu.be/So4x3Cu4WI0

I had a glimmer of hope when Apple started selling styluses, that they might succeed where Microsoft failed. But instead, they're putting mouse cursors on iPads, and the stylus is still a niche tool for artists.

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video from the past were amazing, considering it is just in couple of decades after invention of transistor. ( I think that is because before invention of transistor, we already had mathemetical foundation of computation almost ready. ) in current era, do we have something that needs to be invent ? ( i.e. different part of the science can predict it, but the actual part of the science is falling behind ? )

Most Augmented Reality concepts are at that stage IMHO - we don’t really have light weight efficient hardware that can execute that vision yet. 20 years from now we will, and will probably look back at early experiments and concept videos from our time as “ahead” of their time.

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I find the current state of the art on stylus text entry so disappointing. I made a hacky prototype 7 years ago (!) and this kind of direct interaction remains a dream: https://youtu.be/So4x3Cu4WI0 I had a glimmer of hope when Apple started selling styluses, that they might succeed where Microsoft failed. But instead, they're putting mouse cursors on iPads, and the stylus is still a niche tool for artists.

> But instead, they're putting mouse cursors on iPads, and the stylus is still a niche tool for artists.

Have you tried it recently? Pencil is surprisingly well supported across Apple’s apps.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know about Scribble? It was new to iPadOS 14, and works everywhere you can write with the keyboard.

I do -- the Mac has had that feature since forever (if you plugged in a tablet like a Wacom). A shame Apple doesn't seem to respect the Mac any more -- it's a great example of a use case that went from the Mac to the iPad. I prefer to take notes with a pen. The built in Notes app seems to think you write in a notebook the way you type into one: that each line contains one topic. But in fact when writing notes I tend…

I write in the notes app all the time and have none of the problems you describe. I assume that’s because I don’t use scribble, and I just write in my own handwriting.

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I find the current state of the art on stylus text entry so disappointing. I made a hacky prototype 7 years ago (!) and this kind of direct interaction remains a dream: https://youtu.be/So4x3Cu4WI0 I had a glimmer of hope when Apple started selling styluses, that they might succeed where Microsoft failed. But instead, they're putting mouse cursors on iPads, and the stylus is still a niche tool for artists.

That's exactly what the iPad supports now. So not a dream anymore.

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Faulty handwriting recognition causes data loss. Instead of relying on machine learning as a crutch, we should design systems and UIs that can do recognition, but don’t discard the original data.

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Aligning the symbols for easy parsing in the "best" example was a nice trick.

A little unnatural for English, but this would work fine for Chinese script. Each character and punctuation mark is a monospace box. In fact, students practice handwriting by drawing characters in boxes. You can buy little elementary school booklets that have grids of squares for this.
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