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U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by systemvoltage »

dumb1224 wrote: post #28
pclmulqdq wrote: post #17

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Chinese law is extremely hostile to foreign companies, forcing them to give up their IP and have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company). No other country is so hostile to foreigners, and international pressure should be applied to get then to change this behavior. It is antithetical to free trade and free markets. It is completely understandable that foreign comp…

> ..have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company) I've never heard of this, do you have examples? I'll be happy to read about it. Normally there will be some PR/communication office under marketing sure, but I don't know what a 'political arm' could be.

'Poorly Made in China' is a great book on this matter: https://www.amazon.com/Poorly-Made-China-Insiders-Production...

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by jazzyjackson »

ectopod wrote: post #62
jazzyjackson wrote: post #25

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I want to downrank this but even more I want to ask what exactly your thesis is here

FWIW, I assume the GP is referring to this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...

Aha, well if Page Six says so…

Thanks for the link

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Post by kderbyma »

Miner49er wrote: post #31
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

I like Tik Tok. It's way better then any other social media out there; it doesn't have all the negativity other social media does. It's very positive, and has seemingly endless good content. I think it's likely better for a person's mental health then any other social media since it isn't fueled by negativity. I also don't think it's data collection is any worse then any other social media's. I don't see why I should…

I don't doubt your opinion...but this reads like CCP propaganda lol. As someone else mentioned....China is a human rights abusing nation state......a little different imo....but what do I know. I don't use tiktok

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Post by vmception »

Barrin92 wrote: post #20
vmception wrote: post #16

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Chinese law is incredibly anticompetitive. These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws but these laws just screw them so they exit the market, then the Chinese censors block access to their domain names as it is impossible that they are complying on the information side of things. Separate and nuanced issue, as you pointed out. But not complete.

>These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws They're really not. This is why Google exited China. The reason why some American tech firms don't operate in China isn't because they can't handle regulatory compliance (they obviously can given their size and resources), they don't operate in China because complying with Chinese laws would create absolutely bad PR in the United States. Which means this is not…

Again, just like doing business in the US or Europe isnt a single factor, its not a single factor in China either

You finally brought up Google, we didnt. Google is the primary example of the anticompetitive nature, where the state used its mandatory backdoors to steal IP from Google and give it to Baidu.

Mmm bad PR ok, possible a factor

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Post by SkyMarshal »

aerosmile wrote: post #73
ectopod wrote: post #59

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But Chinese companies do have to comply with these rules. China cares about total surveillance more than they care about blocking foreign competitors.

American companies live and die by their users, Chinese companies live and die by the Chinese government. What if the US imposed a rule that every company operating in the US has to sign a public declaration criticizing the Tiananmen Square massacre? Not an issue for any company in the world except for the Chinese ones. Just because a rule applies to everyone equally doesn't mean that it's providing an equal playing…

That rule would be a problem for any company operating in China, not just Chinese companies.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

sschueller wrote: post #9
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

This is how European's feel irregardless if the app is Chinese or American. All your data gets sucked up by some foreign nation (private industry or government, doesn't really matter).

What's more interesting is the number of Europeans here in the Valley building those apps.

Is it something that's discussed in Europe?

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Post by sumedh »

CountDrewku wrote: post #77
sumedh wrote: post #74

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What did Trump do against Russia?

Did I say Trump did anything against Russia? It helps that his son didn't receive $3.5M from some Russian billionaire... So nice of Biden to give Putin a free pass on the pipeline attack too. I'm sure Putin is just shaking in his boots from that stare down during their handshake.

So in your words Trump folded like a cheap suit against the Russians.

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Post by aerosmile »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #86
aerosmile wrote: post #73

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American companies live and die by their users, Chinese companies live and die by the Chinese government. What if the US imposed a rule that every company operating in the US has to sign a public declaration criticizing the Tiananmen Square massacre? Not an issue for any company in the world except for the Chinese ones. Just because a rule applies to everyone equally doesn't mean that it's providing an equal playing…

That rule would be a problem for any company operating in China, not just Chinese companies.

But not in the US. My point was to illustrate that the Chinese equivalent situation is discriminatory against foreign companies even though it applies equally to all.

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Post by CountDrewku »

sumedh wrote: post #88
CountDrewku wrote: post #77

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Did I say Trump did anything against Russia? It helps that his son didn't receive $3.5M from some Russian billionaire... So nice of Biden to give Putin a free pass on the pipeline attack too. I'm sure Putin is just shaking in his boots from that stare down during their handshake.

So in your words Trump folded like a cheap suit against the Russians.

Sure and so did Biden. So in your own words Biden is every bit a shit as Trump?

Happy now? Trump isn't president anymore so move on and start holding the current admin accountable for their obvious failures.

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