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U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by Miner49er »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

I like Tik Tok. It's way better then any other social media out there; it doesn't have all the negativity other social media does. It's very positive, and has seemingly endless good content. I think it's likely better for a person's mental health then any other social media since it isn't fueled by negativity.

I also don't think it's data collection is any worse then any other social media's. I don't see why I should care that China has my data. I'm more scared of my own government having my data.

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by angio »

nromiun wrote: post #8

> "China has been urging the U.S. side to respect market economy principles and international trade rules, to immediately stop stretching the concept of national security and stop wantonly abusing state power to suppress China's tech companies," spokesman Zhai Lijian said on Tuesday in Beijing. Ironic. I don't suppose they will allow Twitter, Facebook etc in China after this.

Technically the companies are allowed to operate in China, but to do so they would need to follow the strict censorship and data sharing rules the Chinese government requires all companies to adopt. That's why, for example, Bing is available in China and Google not.

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by ethanbond »

hulitu wrote: post #19
Barrin92 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a difference between the US treating TikTok or WeChat differently even compared to American companies vs the fact that China just has an entirely different legal framework. Facebook or Twitter aren't banned because they're American, they're banned because they're not willing to comply with Chinese law at all, which Chinese companies themselves are subject to . Bing operates in China, as do a bunch of other la…

> there's a difference between the US treating TikTok or WeChat differently even compared to American companies vs the fact that China just has an entirely different legal framework. This is pure propaganda. There is absolutely no difference. Both steal your data, both will cause you trouble at border control ( see obligation to give your phone for searching at US border some years ago).

Ah yes, overzealous intelligence agencies exist (who can be and do get sued) and borders exist, therefore there’s “absolutely no difference” between US and Chinese law.

All global superpowers sometimes ban cartoon characters for hurting their leaders’ feelings! No differences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855

The claim there is absolutely no difference is self-evidently untrue. There’s no member of the CCP who would claim such a thing. The US and China are very different places with very different cultures, which gets reflected in their respective laws.

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Post by CyanBird »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

> It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government

Do you have a source for this? At least in the case of the US all user data by law must remain in the country, wouldn't surprise me if the same happened on the entirety of the EU

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Post by canadianfella »

mcwhy wrote: post #21
Barrin92 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws They're really not. This is why Google exited China. The reason why some American tech firms don't operate in China isn't because they can't handle regulatory compliance (they obviously can given their size and resources), they don't operate in China because complying with Chinese laws would create absolutely bad PR in the United States. Which means this is not…

Facebook is 100% willing, zuck even sold his kid to them trying to get in.

Explain

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Post by yorwba »

dumb1224 wrote: post #28
pclmulqdq wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese law is extremely hostile to foreign companies, forcing them to give up their IP and have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company). No other country is so hostile to foreigners, and international pressure should be applied to get then to change this behavior. It is antithetical to free trade and free markets. It is completely understandable that foreign comp…

> ..have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company) I've never heard of this, do you have examples? I'll be happy to read about it. Normally there will be some PR/communication office under marketing sure, but I don't know what a 'political arm' could be.

It's article 19 of the Company Law of the People's Republic of China: http://mg2.mofcom.gov.cn/article/policy/China/201910/2019100...

Article 19: In a company, an organization of the Communist Party of China shall be established to carry out the activities of the party in accordance with the charter of the Communist Party of China. The company shall provide the necessary conditions for the activities of the party organization.

However, I don't think think this can be filed under "hostility to foreigners", since Chinese companies are subject to the same requirements.

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Post by FearlessNebula »

MatthiasWandel wrote: post #5
rvz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok Downvoters / Flaggers: 3 Minutes. The time it just takes for the TikTok fanatics to silence me for raising concerns and criticising their platform.

Tiktok is all about Short attention span, whereas hacker news is longer attention span. I don’t expect too many tiktokers to go so far as to log in and down vote.

Not to mention the overlap between HN and TikTok has gotta be pretty slim.

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Post by neither_color »

dumb1224 wrote: post #28
pclmulqdq wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese law is extremely hostile to foreign companies, forcing them to give up their IP and have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company). No other country is so hostile to foreigners, and international pressure should be applied to get then to change this behavior. It is antithetical to free trade and free markets. It is completely understandable that foreign comp…

> ..have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company) I've never heard of this, do you have examples? I'll be happy to read about it. Normally there will be some PR/communication office under marketing sure, but I don't know what a 'political arm' could be.

It's been a mandatory thing for years.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-congress-companies/...

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by gruez »

angio wrote: post #32
nromiun wrote: post #8

> "China has been urging the U.S. side to respect market economy principles and international trade rules, to immediately stop stretching the concept of national security and stop wantonly abusing state power to suppress China's tech companies," spokesman Zhai Lijian said on Tuesday in Beijing. Ironic. I don't suppose they will allow Twitter, Facebook etc in China after this.

Technically the companies are allowed to operate in China, but to do so they would need to follow the strict censorship and data sharing rules the Chinese government requires all companies to adopt. That's why, for example, Bing is available in China and Google not.

What about the requirement for a "local partner"?
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