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Re: Google’s Messaging Mess: A Timeline

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There's so many counter examples to this though... E.g. Stadia, which a lot of people doubted would be technically possible at all.

I’ve played OnLive a decade ago, same concept unless I’m missing something?

There are typically a lot of details when a concept is turned into a product, which can help make/break things.

Re: Google’s Messaging Mess: A Timeline

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I tried so hard to integrate into the Google ecosystem. I had a Gmail account and Google Talk to start. Eventually an Android phone, on Project Fi, with Hangouts and SMS (so I could send SMS over the internet). I upgraded from Gmail to Inbox. Then when they ditched that for Allo and Duo I tried to switch to those. Then I lost SMS on my computer because it got removed from Hangouts. Then I tried to switch to Google vo…

this seems pretty pertinent here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27575640 and I guess it answers my question from that thread - Google still doesn't get platforms.

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And not really iterated on... Maps got slightly better but Gmail and GDoc were uh... not really refactored into better stuff

Maps was entirely rewritten to use WebGL and support 3D. Gmail had the entire backend rewritten to scale much larger, priority inbox and categories, rich content emails, auto suggest as you type. Docs was completely rewritten, and they're working on another rewrite using canvas. Spreadsheets was rewritten twice, and a huge number of excel features ported over. It's true they don't overhaul the whole product every yea…

the HN thread on the coming Docs rewrite https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27129858

Re: Google’s Messaging Mess: A Timeline

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I tried so hard to integrate into the Google ecosystem. I had a Gmail account and Google Talk to start. Eventually an Android phone, on Project Fi, with Hangouts and SMS (so I could send SMS over the internet). I upgraded from Gmail to Inbox. Then when they ditched that for Allo and Duo I tried to switch to those. Then I lost SMS on my computer because it got removed from Hangouts. Then I tried to switch to Google vo…

I used Google Voice when they first acquired it - it was years early and really ahead of things back then. Texting from the web, voice transcription for messages, could ring multiple numbers. Then they did nothing with it for maybe seven years? MMS would silently fail so people inviting you to events via group chat or sending you a photo would just think you were ignoring them. Hangouts came and the mess with that an…

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Re: Google’s Messaging Mess: A Timeline

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They forgot about Inbox! After following this nonsense product timeline for 16 years from the original Google Talk days, my last chat thread still using Hangouts moved to Facebook Messenger. chat.google.com is just aggressively worse in far too many ways, and will surely be killed circa 2024.

Isn't Inbox just an email client? > chat.google.com is just aggressively worse in far too many ways, and will surely be killed circa 2024. I doubt it. Google Chat is Google's enterprise product offering like Microsoft's skype.

it sat on top of gmail, yes, but felt like a different product. Much cleaner interface, and it integrated things like reminders and "upcoming trips" and things like that in the email feed.

I much preferred it to gmail, and I was not happy when they discontinued it

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I used Google Voice when they first acquired it - it was years early and really ahead of things back then. Texting from the web, voice transcription for messages, could ring multiple numbers. Then they did nothing with it for maybe seven years? MMS would silently fail so people inviting you to events via group chat or sending you a photo would just think you were ignoring them. Hangouts came and the mess with that an…

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"should be actively talking about how to neuter the political threat of leftists".

That's a lot of bias in just one phrase. I doubt that the libertarians and others in SV consider themselves "leftists". Or that Palantir, JPL, DARPA, which fund a lot of SV work can be considered "leftist".

So yes, having Google as a monopoly on search and advertising is a trust-busting issue, but that's not "right/left", it's good government regulation to maintain a free market in those services.

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I tried so hard to integrate into the Google ecosystem. I had a Gmail account and Google Talk to start. Eventually an Android phone, on Project Fi, with Hangouts and SMS (so I could send SMS over the internet). I upgraded from Gmail to Inbox. Then when they ditched that for Allo and Duo I tried to switch to those. Then I lost SMS on my computer because it got removed from Hangouts. Then I tried to switch to Google vo…

Which service do you use for CalDAV / CardDAV? I've been trying to migrate from a gmail account to my own personal domain, but my current provider doesn't support those so I want to move on to someone else. The thing that annoys me most is that (as far as I can tell) only the big name providers have integrated mail/caldav/carddav, if you use a bring-your-own-domain solution they need to be added as 3 separate account…

Yet another +1 for Fastmail. Long time customer when I got sick of running my own IMAP/SMTP about 5+ years ago.

It has IMAP, CalDAV, CardDAV. It has a snappy and responsive web interface and their iOS app is equally as good.

They have configuration of profiles for MacOS and iOS down (I can't talk to other environments).

I have a bunch of domains doing email through there, but I run my own DNS. I had a need to configure things that Fastmail's DNS doesn't deal with (IPv6 etc) but for general use, it's great. Properly configured SPF, DKIM, DMARC, good spam filtering, easy contact managenment etc.

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>There's so many counter examples to this though... You work for Google; there may be some bias here. >E.g. Stadia, which a lot of people doubted would be technically possible at all. Technically impossible? Really? I don't think anyone held doubt. Perhaps people figured it'd be expensive to develop but certainly not impossible.

> Technically impossible? Really? I don't think anyone held doubt Yes, so many people were citing latency would make it unplayable, etc. > You work for Google; there may be some bias here. If I was stating an opinion, maybe. In this case, I am merely pointing out the counter example: Stadia, etc.

The concept of stream gaming was done before? I don't think anyone argued that Google couldn't technically develop a solution as good as the predecessors who have far less resources.

I don't think Google has solved the fundamental issue which is latency and home broadband infrastructure. They can handwave it with AI, ML latency algorithms and video compression algorithms, but the latency is still not competitive to conventional gaming.

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> receiving codes I wish that would stop. SMS is horribly insecure as a 2nd factor.

What else would you suggest as replacement? Sms is ubiquitous and cheap.

Time based one time password authenticators, or one time password lists?

Mobile phone plans can be highjacked just far too easily, and is a highly vulnerable vector for getting "keys to the kingdom" (ie your private Gmail account) for complete identity and asset theft.

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I tried so hard to integrate into the Google ecosystem. I had a Gmail account and Google Talk to start. Eventually an Android phone, on Project Fi, with Hangouts and SMS (so I could send SMS over the internet). I upgraded from Gmail to Inbox. Then when they ditched that for Allo and Duo I tried to switch to those. Then I lost SMS on my computer because it got removed from Hangouts. Then I tried to switch to Google vo…

I used Google Voice when they first acquired it - it was years early and really ahead of things back then. Texting from the web, voice transcription for messages, could ring multiple numbers. Then they did nothing with it for maybe seven years? MMS would silently fail so people inviting you to events via group chat or sending you a photo would just think you were ignoring them. Hangouts came and the mess with that an…

It's because Google voice wasn't a Google product, it was an acquisition. It used to be Grand Central. But yes they basically bought it, threw the G on it, and then let it bitrot.
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