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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by herbst »

the-dude wrote: post #3
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

This exactly mirrors my experience. "Starting" is slow in Windows and just keeps getting slower. That could be booting, logging in, waiting for an application to start, waiting some more for an application to start, and then waiting even more, not being sure if it ever is going to start, waiting some more, and then it starts.

How is stopping these days? I seem to remember there were about 79 reasons why Windows might not shutdown.

That vm I shut down last week, probably still is shutting down. Hope this answers your question

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

tallanvor wrote: post #349
black_puppydog wrote: post #347

Not having a windows machine here to test this, I can't believe some of the results there. Specifically the "Win32 applications" ones. 7 seconds to open the file manager or text editor? Or MS Paint?! On my laptop here I can load gimp including plugins within ~1.5-2s, and I never even bothered to optimize anything about this. I wouldn't even be able to measure the opening time of e.g. gedit without some sort of script…

The benchmarks are hard to compare. He's using a VM and a fairly small amount of RAM (I don't know of many PCs only shipping with 4GB RAM these days). I can say that Word takes about 2 seconds to open on my system, but I'm not running in a VM and I have 48GB RAM, so Windows can cache a lot to optimize opening times.

4GB is actually pretty common for "budget" laptops in india. Check out Amazon.in and search for laptops. Anything above 40,000 inr is in the higher than budget, cheap range. For the past few years, there has been a trend of buying refurbished devices. Laptops and desktops.

I bought a Dell e7440 with I7 5th gen I think and 4GB RAM. For 22,000 bucks. I had to upgrade to 8 gigs myself but 4 is pretty standard here.

Oh, and the "gaming" and productivity series of brands are usually upwards of 80,000 inr which is exortbitantly high for majority of Indians.

Just for some context, interns are paid 6-7000 bucks a month and a day labourer, unskilled earns a Max 700 bucks a day. So, a day labourer had to buy a cheap laptop for 30,000 bucks, have to work for 42 days.

Oh, and you have the last year rush for buying cheap devices for online classes, with people have 2-3 kids, buying a laptop for 50,000 times 3 is out of the question.

Again for context, cars in india start from 290,000 a maruti alto .

https://www.zigwheels.com/newcars/cars-under-5-lakhs

apple devices are rich mans luxury products here .

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by nix23 »

jcelerier wrote: post #334
danielheath wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it makes several of the isolation features the processor ships with useless, without documenting it?

But isolation had never been sold as a security feature, only as a "user-space crash can't bring down the kernel", no ?

Isolation (Rings) was first implemented in Multics (first in software, then in hardware..a bit like today (user-mode and kernel/hypervisor mode)), foremost for security second for stability.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by [deleted] »

asciimov wrote: post #98
smoldesu wrote: post #25

One time Windows got a "feature update" that made it not boot. Apparently it was an issue with Lenovo motherboards that is still not fixed to this day (afaik). In any case, that was the kick in the pants I needed to switch to Linux. Everything has gone swimmingly since!

Just wait, one day you will have an update to linux and suddenly your whole system wont boot. This doesn't happen often, I've only had it happen 2 or 3 times in 10 years. It is good practice to have a restore thumbdrive around ready to go just in case.

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by herbst »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #169
smoldesu wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in large part it has to do with how Windows loads libraries. For example, if you have two Electron apps running (eg. Discord and Slack), both will load separate libraries, effectively doubling their load on your system (scaling for each app you open). The solution is to enforce dynamic linking, like how Linux handles it. You can have Spotify, Discord and Slack all running on the same Electron library.

Aren't they using bundled/vendored versions? The OS can't help that; it's like Snaps on Linux.

Which still do not increase the booting time like that

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by kiwijamo »

jayd16 wrote: post #43
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Do people still think to defrag HDDs on windows? I wonder if that's an issue people are seeing.

I used to obsessively defrag my drives and it made very little difference. So much happier switching to SSD.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by nix23 »

josephg wrote: post #329
skydhash wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started with XP with a pentium 2 then move to a pentium 4. It ran perfectly on both. It started even faster than my Linux Mint installation.

That’s wild. I remember when windows XP came out I was amazed it was so large. The OS was 300 megabytes or something - and it took up a significant portion of my computer’s hard drive. Despite all of Microsoft’s claims about “media enhancements” it seemed horribly bloated and ugly. It was the embarrassing stepchild of windows 2000 - which I still adore. How times have changed!

Windows2000 was the best windows ever, from the speed to the look, the simplicity...just perfect.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by michaelmrose »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #249
qzw wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An incredibly low probability multiplied by ~billion+ users means somebody is going to lose something valuable sooner or later. And then the odds of MS getting sued for “not even patching a well-known vulnerability” becomes 100%.

But that's also a billion+ users with much slower computers! So you need to compare the harm on both sides. And then MS could add a switch in Settings for anyone who is concerned. (I realize not many people would find it, but it seems important for the option to be accessible, without digging into the registry or some such.)

If you could trivially enable a "go much faster" setting in the gui that would in turn make you much more vulnerable you would see people sharing on facebook how they found the secret go faster option and 1/4 of machines would have this setting enabled rendering exploiting it much more profitable and you would see attacks become widespread after which people would ask why windows came with a suicide switch. This issue comes to a head when somewhere some important company or 3 is attacked via possibly poorly managed employee laptops enabling this feature after when the gui option is deleted. Then someone can have the same 5 years later after people have forgotten about the first go round.

How about we just skip a step?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by kiwijamo »

boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

For what's its worth macOS had excatly the same issue. My previous $WORK laptop was a HDD based model and all of a sudden after a macOS upgrade it was slow as heck. I can't recall the exact release but it was certainty very noticeable right after I applied a major upgrade. I was so happy when $WORK finally upgraded it to a SSD based model. I suspect OS developers pretty much target SSD machines and don't really bother to ensure there's no regressions on HDD machines. I also notice that Debian performs much better on SSD than HDD. So certainty not a Windows only issue.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by embeddTrway690 »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #352
tallanvor wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benchmarks are hard to compare. He's using a VM and a fairly small amount of RAM (I don't know of many PCs only shipping with 4GB RAM these days). I can say that Word takes about 2 seconds to open on my system, but I'm not running in a VM and I have 48GB RAM, so Windows can cache a lot to optimize opening times.

4GB is actually pretty common for "budget" laptops in india. Check out Amazon.in and search for laptops. Anything above 40,000 inr is in the higher than budget, cheap range. For the past few years, there has been a trend of buying refurbished devices. Laptops and desktops. I bought a Dell e7440 with I7 5th gen I think and 4GB RAM. For 22,000 bucks. I had to upgrade to 8 gigs myself but 4 is pretty standard here. Oh,…

Yeah.

That's one reason I use linux. I am a student and I have this 4GB laptop I brought for less than INR 30,000, and linux is still super responsive on this. Windows lags for 5 seconds before pressing Windows key and search results showing up.

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