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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Silhouette »

sph wrote: post #71
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

Run old technology with old software.

That argument would be more convincing if Microsoft hadn't systematically pushed the owners of older PCs to update them to run Windows 10. How many millions of PCs dating from the early to mid 2010s are now stuck with the results despite their hardware still working normally?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by siproprio »

nycdotnet wrote: post #109
brudgers wrote: post #68

Some remarks: I used Hyper-V as the hypervisor of choice That is not how most end user installations are configured (aka, not as a virtual machine). 32GB fixed disk for each build. That is much much less than the typical Windows 10 hardware. the fast boot feature has been disabled for the purposes of this measurement. That is not the default and not reflective of most installations.

4 GB RAM seems impossibly tight as well. I'm not sure if 4 core and 4 GB was ever a common or representative setup for PCs; perhaps 2 core and 4 GB in the Vista timeframe...

4GB RAM is plenty of common.

Source: junior enterprise machine on german multinational in a third world country.

It gets worse if you have a retail machine...

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by vel0city »

siproprio wrote: post #124

So... UWP is a tenbagger: It got 10x slower in 5 years. I always like to remind folks that it takes longer to open calculator - or windows terminal - than to open excel.

calc.exe on Win10 2004 loads way faster than Excel on my machine, its not even close. cmd.exe and powershell.exe are also way faster than Excel. Terminal is a smidge faster than Excel but a hair slower than either cmd.exe or powershell.exe.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by brundolf »

brundolf wrote: post #114
ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

An important thing that it took me a long time to realize is it doesn't search file names by default, only file contents. To search by name you have to use the 'name:' prefix. This is nonsense, but it's also easy to overcome once you know about it.

Edit: I was wrong about this behavior. Could've sworn this had happened. `name:` definitely helps speed up and refine the search, at least

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by siproprio »

vel0city wrote: post #213
siproprio wrote: post #124

So... UWP is a tenbagger: It got 10x slower in 5 years. I always like to remind folks that it takes longer to open calculator - or windows terminal - than to open excel.

calc.exe on Win10 2004 loads way faster than Excel on my machine, its not even close. cmd.exe and powershell.exe are also way faster than Excel. Terminal is a smidge faster than Excel but a hair slower than either cmd.exe or powershell.exe.

There's a calculator discussion now that calc is open source: https://github.com/microsoft/calculator/issues/209

All other UWP apps that do not get GitHub attention are 100x worse. Microsoft Photos, for instance...

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by 627467 »

I don't know about slowing down: I do know that I keep getting stuck on some update after which I can't moved beyond due to some cryptic and unfixable error.

This has happened for the 2nd time in a year and I end up having to download an up to date iso to move past the dead end update

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by scrps »

This is purely speculation and observation but I had to disable all the anti-telemetry hacks on my (aging) W10 gaming desktop and I noticed a marked increase in latency in everything from opening a folder to launching simple applications. Once I re-enabled all the patches the latency seem to vanish.

I have no data or hard evidence to back any of this up so take it with a large grain of salt.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by vel0city »

siproprio wrote: post #215
vel0city wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

calc.exe on Win10 2004 loads way faster than Excel on my machine, its not even close. cmd.exe and powershell.exe are also way faster than Excel. Terminal is a smidge faster than Excel but a hair slower than either cmd.exe or powershell.exe.

There's a calculator discussion now that calc is open source: https://github.com/microsoft/calculator/issues/209 All other UWP apps that do not get GitHub attention are 100x worse. Microsoft Photos, for instance...

Microsoft Photos also loads noticeably faster than Excel for me. Mail (the default Windows app) also loads faster than Excel. Edge loads faster than Excel.

Your statement was:

> I always like to remind folks that it takes longer to open calculator - or windows terminal - than to open excel.

but anecdotally this does not hold out for me. Not even close.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by listenallyall »

asdff wrote: post #199
listenallyall wrote: post #189

All I know is my Win 10 Pro laptop has 16gb RAM, yet if an application, most likely Google Chrome, uses more than about 4-5gb, it crashes. Yep, it's a lot of tabs. But not as many as you think, and often without warning, as certain ad-heavy sites, especially forum sites (flyertalk, rennlist), can sometimes require 1gb RAM alone.

All the more reason to install serious ad blockers not found with Chrome and to install extensions that deal with old tabs instead of letting them pollute your memory

I disagree for a few reasons. First, why is the memory limit so low? Like I said, 16gb RAM, yet using just 30% of that total is too much? Secondly, I simply don't believe it is entirely ethical to consume all of the content with none of the ads. I deal with the egregious ad situation by visiting those sites infrequently -- visiting once every few months as opposed to every day, or skipping those links when they appear in a search result. But most sites, I believe it is a fair tradeoff to view an ad or two in order to read their site. Third, I would likely reach the memory limit without any greatly offending tabs... Google Maps is a big memory hog, many government sites are as well, and more.
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