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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by jl6 »

RamRodification wrote: post #152
ergot_vacation wrote: post #81

Over the past decade, software updates in general have mostly become another form of malware, as software makers care more about extracting money from their users or adding pointless shiny features than actually making their software fast, stable, or better able to serve the user. As a result, my default policy now is "If it ain't broke, NEVER fix it." Install, then disable all updates, forcibly if necessary. On Wind…

I can never relate to these posts. I always update all my stuff pretty much immediately when I see an update available. I run Windows, so I'm talking Windows Updates, browser updates, drivers, anything and everything. It actually gives me a pleasant feeling knowing I get bug fixes, security fixes, maybe some new feature every now and then. I'm definitely naive enough to hope for performance improvements rather than w…

It’s a good idea to keep updates enabled so that you get security patches, but it’s ridiculous that you have to do this. The industry seems to have given up on the idea of making finished software, so instead you get endless churn - the bugs and vulnerabilities are infinite because the bug fixes are mixed into the same update stream as new features which themselves come with new bugs…

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by ASalazarMX »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #50
vbezhenar wrote: post #32

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For me Windows Explorer search became useful when I learned about its syntax. I can't remember it exactly right now, but I think it's something like `name:*.jpg` for example (and worst thing is it's localized, so you have to use whatever Windows Language you use). This way it does not try to be smart and just searches for file names. I think that in default mode it searches inside an indexed files or something like t…

Advanced Query Syntax https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/lwef/-search-... Quite useful

One of the things I miss most from Windows is the CHM help system. Now selecting Help in the menu opens a web page in Edge regardless of your default browser, or in an awkward, sluggish help minibrowser app.

The query syntax should be available offline right in the operating system, not in a web page.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

beckingz wrote: post #116
haunter wrote: post #9

On my current gaming PC (i7-7700) I have installed W10 in 2017 and... no problem whatsoever? SSD, 10s boot. idk how do people end up with all the problems. I'm really curious because there must be an underlying reason

The first time I installed Windows 7 on an SSD it started in less than a second. Less than 1s boot time. To desktop.

I find that hard to believe, but back when Windows 8 was new (not that I'd heard of it), I think I would've believed it. You enabled auto-login.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

N00bN00b wrote: post #110
LarryDarrell wrote: post #16

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I think the Startup Processes really gets abused and people default to blame Windows for it. My time to a usable desktop seemed slow until I removed Teams, Steam, Dropbox and some other update utilities from Startup. Now it's pretty much instant.

I've been using hibernate for years now. I start my computer once per month. I really wouldn't care if it takes 5 minutes. I'm not sure why that isn't shown by default anymore. But you can still add it to the menu and map it to the power button.

It isn't shown because on 10 "power off" is a lightly-tweaked hibernate.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by brudgers »

mulmen wrote: post #95
brudgers wrote: post #78

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I won't disagree, or agree. If you are running spinning rust rather than an SSD, you are getting exactly what you chose. Just about any use case that justifies spinning rust can be solved with an external platter, thumbdrive, and/or SD card.

When I upgraded from 7 to 10 I had an SSD in my machine but was never given an option to install 10 to the SSD. It requires some contortions to get physical install media and then start over on a new install on the SSD instead of doing any kind of convenient system migration. The "choice" I made was back in 2009 when I installed 7 to an HDD, which seems like a reasonable choice.

I have never had an issue installing Windows 10 to a machine I upgraded to an ssd…I had hell with an old Dell Precision workstation because of the built in RAID controller…but that’s another story…and when I upgraded that machine to W7 from XP 64 bit, I bought new spinning rust for it. But W8 went smooth and I got W10 working by disabling the RAID during install (I used an SSD for boot).

That machine, with dual e5405’s is still in service for gaming at my kid’s place.

Physical install media for 10 is a matter of downloading an .exe and selecting the option for making a thumb drive as the installation disk and then booting from it.

It’s relatively straight forward but there are a few moving parts for sure. Typically f12 to select boot device.

2009 was a long time ago in tech terms.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

bruce343434 wrote: post #158
asciimov wrote: post #98

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Just wait, one day you will have an update to linux and suddenly your whole system wont boot. This doesn't happen often, I've only had it happen 2 or 3 times in 10 years. It is good practice to have a restore thumbdrive around ready to go just in case.

The amount of times that my manjaro installation broke itself after a "full" system upgrade lacked appropriate gpu driver updates... From an OS that supposedly uses upstream Arch repos as a sort of guinea pig and waits until the dust settles upstream to roll out the updates. After a while it gets old to have to press shift and advanced-boot-options my way into the older kernel. Both Windows and Linux are not perfect.…

Debian (LXDE) is, I find, dependable. Sure, it might have a Python version last updated in January, and my dodgy WiFi card might need restarting most mornings, and I might have to run `pulseaudio -k` when the sound starts getting laggy, but it just doesn't break. (I expect restarting my computer more often than yearly might help some.)

The only Debian issue I've had is needing to delete the Intel graphics drivers to get Vulkan working. (Yes, delete; it doesn't need them on my machine, despite having an Intel card.) Nothing else has ever broken.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by gentleman11 »

ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

Slightly off topic, but I ditched windows explorer for most things years ago. I’ve been using a neat indie app I found called fman. Not affiliated, just a fan

https://fman.io/

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by 1_player »

MereInterest wrote: post #140
Hammershaft wrote: post #122

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> Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Modern software usually doesn't run at incredible speeds on an nvme drive with top of the line hardware. Modern software is often just slow. What can I do on a modern operating system today that I couldn't do on a predecessor released 20 years ago? What justifies that Windows 10 feels slower to use then Windows XP while Wind…

Exactly. I am of the opinion that anything that was possible in computing 15 years ago should be perceptibly instant today. There are obvious exceptions such as cross-continent communication being limited by the speed of light, but as a general rule. Instead, we get software that's written as if Dennard scaling were still occurring.

My desktop built in 2020 is perceptibly instant today. The slowest booting application is VSCode taking 2 whole seconds to start from cold.

None of the figures shown in the article have any relevance if one has a slight knowledge of their operating system and are not running on decades old technology.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by temp8964 »

gentleman11 wrote: post #178
ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

Slightly off topic, but I ditched windows explorer for most things years ago. I’ve been using a neat indie app I found called fman. Not affiliated, just a fan https://fman.io/

I use Q-Dir, a quad-pane file explorer. http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/Q-Dir
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