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Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

christophilus wrote: post #45

If you have no dependency on a specific distro, what distro would you choose for your servers? I’m leaning towards Debian at this point. On my laptop and desktop, I run Fedora and Arch, though, so keeping that consistent with my servers might be nice. For that reason, I’ve been thinking of kicking the tires on Debian testing / sid for the laptop.

I run Fedora on both my desktop and home server. If/when the server goes sideways I'll choose something RHEL based, It's changed from something that I tinker on to something that I depend on for Plex, torrent seeding, ad blocking, and more recently, hosting game servers.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by spinax » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 6:05 PM UTC

jrsj wrote: post #52

tambourine_man wrote: post #13

Some vendors that didn’t support Ubuntu now do after the CentOS disaster and I’m much happier now. But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros.

I wish SUSE were more popular in the U.S.

A significant number of Enterprise-oriented 3rd party vendors directly support SLES with their products. It's possible with the new release of openSUSE 15.3 being a bit-clone of SLES 15sp3 that we'll see an uptick in the general FOSS world, time will tell.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by infinet » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 8:01 PM UTC

I wonder what CERN going to do next. Which distro will they choose after CentOS 7? Rocky linux, Ubuntu, or go back to Scientific Linux. Lots of HEP softwares have pre-compiled packages for CentOS and Ubuntu. CERN has been pretty quiet in past several months.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by jaboutboul » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 12:00 AM UTC

derekp7 wrote: post #50

viraptor wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029? I'm not sure that's a fair question to a new project. If you asked that recently about Windows 10, you'd have a different answer than today. But seriously, Rocky was started by the person doing CentOS before and unhappy with changes. They're at the very least not planning to go away.

Also take a look at their principal sponsors list. It includes AWS and Google cloud. They would both have an invested interest in keeping a supported free RHEL clone around.

AWS is also sponsoring AlmaLinux.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by fomine3 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #30

teruakohatu wrote: post #9

So are Red Hat source packages still available? What incentive does IBM have to make them available? The source code of the applications, sure. But why the source rpms? Why doesn't Amazon and friends just make a dist that is not tied to Red Hat?

Amazon is already releasing Amazon Linux AMIs which are similar to rhel, but you're not supposed to expect any compatibility. They're branching the behaviour off when needed.

It's hard to know design about compatibility between Amazon Linux and RHEL. It seems that Amazon Linux no longer targets full RHEL/Fedora compatible, but it still support EPEL. Anyone know good documentation?

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by chousuke » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 11:45 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #29

chousuke wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will. Considering how easy it is to convert between distros with DNF (I've often wished APT had distro-sync) I'd be surprised if there were any real issues upgrading; it's most likely just left to the user's expertise to fix things should any issues arise.

It's easy to convert between distros based on RH. The package manager is coincidental. You wouldn't have as smooth conversion between SL, Fedora, and Suse for example.

I wouldn't say the package manager is entirely coincidental; distro-sync and transaction support makes it easier than it would be if you did the equivalent operation using APT.

I'm pretty sure I could convert RHEL into Fedora and vice versa (probably not Suse though, it's too different), but I admit it's not going to be as easy as switching between EL distros.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by tgmux » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

The project provides a tool called migrate2rocky which has been tested successfully on a number of RHEL variants. https://github.com/rocky-linux/rocky-tools/

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by tgmux » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 4:51 PM UTC

chousuke wrote: post #23

post-factum wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"…meaning it will not be tested nor documented." Likely, you'll still be able to do it.

You will. Considering how easy it is to convert between distros with DNF (I've often wished APT had distro-sync) I'd be surprised if there were any real issues upgrading; it's most likely just left to the user's expertise to fix things should any issues arise.

Exactly this. No reason to think it shouldn't work, but probably a better use of folks' time doing something else than trying to troubleshoot this very corner case.