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Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by nix23 »

viraptor wrote: post #49
nix23 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes here an example: >Minimum supported versions: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.2: 4.18.0-193.el8.x86_64 or later https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/2... >product officially compatible with CentOS, Ehh, that's the point of CentOS being the same as RHEL...bug for bug

If you pay for Oracle, why would you run on promises? I get that the lag is disappointing, but "compatible with RHEL" is not the same as "compatible with RHEL and distributions that claim compatibility with it".

Look i just said there where problems with that lag, and yes true, if you need a OracleDb you will use OracleLinux and probably OracleHardware (because free support for OracleLinux).

> but "compatible with RHEL" is not the same as "compatible with RHEL and distributions that claim compatibility with it".

That was the promise of CentOS 100% compatible with RHEL bug for bug.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by jrsj »

tambourine_man wrote: post #13

Some vendors that didn’t support Ubuntu now do after the CentOS disaster and I’m much happier now. But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros.

I wish SUSE were more popular in the U.S.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

viraptor wrote: post #21
spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

> I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029? I'm not sure that's a fair question to a new project. If you asked that recently about Windows 10, you'd have a different answer than today. But seriously, Rocky was started by the person doing CentOS before and unhappy with changes. They're at the very least not planning to go away.

Forget Windows; CentOS 8 was supposed to live that long until RH changed their mind one day.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by cpach »

christophilus wrote: post #45

If you have no dependency on a specific distro, what distro would you choose for your servers? I’m leaning towards Debian at this point. On my laptop and desktop, I run Fedora and Arch, though, so keeping that consistent with my servers might be nice. For that reason, I’ve been thinking of kicking the tires on Debian testing / sid for the laptop.

Debian is very nice IMHO.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

mekster wrote: post #15
robert_foss wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say this is pretty fair considering that a fair amount of serious issues can be expected for the first ever release of a distro.

And yet, ironically people like it better than CentOS stream? People are making such a big fuss about CentOS getting slightly closer to Fedora.

Personally, I care very little about the technical angle (yes, Stream is probably a fine product) and very much about Red Hat reneging (yanking CentOS 8 from 2029 to 2021).

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

derekp7 wrote: post #48
christophilus wrote: post #45

If you have no dependency on a specific distro, what distro would you choose for your servers? I’m leaning towards Debian at this point. On my laptop and desktop, I run Fedora and Arch, though, so keeping that consistent with my servers might be nice. For that reason, I’ve been thinking of kicking the tires on Debian testing / sid for the laptop.

Personally the reason I use a RHEL based distro on servers is due to third party tools that target RHEL, and also I am heavily invested in a personal knowledge base on the RHEL specifics such as how they implement SElinux, etc. Therefore I run Fedora on my personal workstations so that when a new release of RHEL comes out, I already know it. But now I'm seeing more items target Ubuntu first. For example a colleague a…

> Swift -- for the longest time I couldn't get it for RHEL or Fedora, but could for Ubuntu

Long before it became available on Ubuntu you could very easily run it on Arch. Same for many other applications. It's pretty sad that a bunch of pimply children managed to meme it into a thing that a civilized person shouldn't even mention these days, because the software availability situation is above everything else out there (thanks to AUR and incredibly simple package format — you can write a proper package in a few minutes).

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by lbhdc »

spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

There is a tool, Toolbox, for changing linux environments that could be helpful to test that.

https://github.com/containers/toolbox

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#58

Post by jeroenhd »

viraptor wrote: post #21
spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

> I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029? I'm not sure that's a fair question to a new project. If you asked that recently about Windows 10, you'd have a different answer than today. But seriously, Rocky was started by the person doing CentOS before and unhappy with changes. They're at the very least not planning to go away.

Windows 10 had its sunset date announced back when it launched. Most versions of Windows have only come with a two year support life cycle. The LTSC lifecycle has been halved recently, but the 2019 LTSC release will still get 10 years of support like before.

Windows has, before Windows 10, had a support cycle of 5 years for feature updates and another 5 for maintenance. XP was supported past that term for (too) long because people refused to or were unable to switch, and 7 has befallen a similar faith.

The news media recently found the support cycle page again after the leaks about the upcoming Windows 11 release, but none of this should be a surprise for people who need to look into long term support for Windows.

The difference here, or course, is that a big company like Microsoft is more likely to stick around than a small, open source project. They currently don't have any plans to stop support, but who knows what the future may bring. Covid is a stark reminder of how the world can change in just a few months.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by brtln »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #56
derekp7 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally the reason I use a RHEL based distro on servers is due to third party tools that target RHEL, and also I am heavily invested in a personal knowledge base on the RHEL specifics such as how they implement SElinux, etc. Therefore I run Fedora on my personal workstations so that when a new release of RHEL comes out, I already know it. But now I'm seeing more items target Ubuntu first. For example a colleague a…

> Swift -- for the longest time I couldn't get it for RHEL or Fedora, but could for Ubuntu Long before it became available on Ubuntu you could very easily run it on Arch. Same for many other applications. It's pretty sad that a bunch of pimply children managed to meme it into a thing that a civilized person shouldn't even mention these days, because the software availability situation is above everything else out the…

Some people prefer stability over software availability. Arch leaves much to be desired given it's lack of tooling that's been available for years for other distributions. It's an hobbyist project all along.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by [deleted] »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #56
derekp7 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally the reason I use a RHEL based distro on servers is due to third party tools that target RHEL, and also I am heavily invested in a personal knowledge base on the RHEL specifics such as how they implement SElinux, etc. Therefore I run Fedora on my personal workstations so that when a new release of RHEL comes out, I already know it. But now I'm seeing more items target Ubuntu first. For example a colleague a…

> Swift -- for the longest time I couldn't get it for RHEL or Fedora, but could for Ubuntu Long before it became available on Ubuntu you could very easily run it on Arch. Same for many other applications. It's pretty sad that a bunch of pimply children managed to meme it into a thing that a civilized person shouldn't even mention these days, because the software availability situation is above everything else out the…

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