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TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by jollybean »

belval wrote: post #29

I hate TikTok because it's so good. It's a frictionless content pump that we can open and doom-scroll for hours. I have never seen such a beautifully crafted user experience, from the recommendation algorithm that is top-notch the content that is catchy and highlights trends without overdoing it and the absence of political content if you don't engage with it (or maybe there is none at all). I don't have it on my pho…

"Just as Capable?"

Facebook removes what they deem 'hate speech' and some controversial things during emergencies, like minsinformation about vaccines.

TikTok actively suppresses all sorts of information.

Go ahead and put up Toks of Hong Kong protests, Tienanmen square or Uyghurs incarceration.

Mostly - this suppression is just the natural business language of Chinese owners, but it's also direct and indirect pressure from the CCP.

That's not very comparable to what Facebook is doing.

That said, it's a decent app.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by jollybean »

xvector wrote: post #43
endisneigh wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

your comment is contradictory - if there is no political content, what propaganda is there to distribute? per your own comment wouldn't they just be distributing the "catchy" content?

There isn't propaganda. I guess people say there is, because conspiracy theories are more fun than fact. But strong statements like "TikTok is propaganda" need to be supported with evidence. I would say that the highly tailored experience of the TikTok algorithm would make a propaganda op quite easy to detect. The algorithm is so ridiculously good, that you would instantly spot a propaganda video, or notice when your…

Many months ago I saw some Toks which had 'Huge Red Flags' - basically Chinese Nationals trying to convince of some obvious CCP policy - though I couldn't tell for sure if it was propaganda, it seemed like it.

But haven't seen that in months.

But otherwise I don't think they promote propaganda actively.

But the difference between FB/Twitter and TT is the kinds of suppression they do. TT will remove anything that might remotely offend the sensibilities of the CCP.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by bmarquez »

rvz wrote: post #193
justicezyx wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> raw unfiltered creativity LMAO Those videos are literally produced by color or facial enhancement *filters*... Not to mention the content moderation and censorship...

No idea why you are downvoted, other than annoying the TikTok fanatics on this thread with "the facts" and a dose of reality that they seem to be trying to escape from by going into their own world of dancing short videos and community memes which is governed by another "recommendation algorithm" just like the rest of the other social networks out there. Nothing has changed. Even when there is strong evidence of this…

> blatant censorship and suppression

If you want a truly free speech social network, consider using Gab or 4chan. Oh wait, many potential users would find the content there distasteful.

There's no perfect social network out there. The other major social networks are happy to censor too (e.g. Trump, doctors discussing COVID-19 contrary to government agencies, etc) and they're just as bad with privacy too. Actually worse (I've been personally banned from Twitter for not providing a phone number, TikTok doesn't require one).

Not saying TikTok is perfect, but the more friends I add on TikTok the less I rely on Zuckerberg's empire.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by sureglymop »

What I truly find remarkable is the rebranding of Musical.ly to TikTok. At first I wasn't quite sure that this really is essentially the exact same platform, just rebranded. When you look at the application ID on Android it is "com.zhiliaoapp.musically", suggesting that it is most probably based directly on Musical.ly.

Musical.ly has been around since 2014, steadily accumulating more users. So it isn't like TikTok just blew up out of nowhere either.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by cdstyh »

MasterScrat wrote: post #185
cdstyh wrote: post #163

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I have the same issue with medium. My coworker talk about how great it is and he learns so much from it. All I see is clcikbait garbage.

Here's your mistake: you're a couple of years late ;-)

How can I find all the good articles from a couple of years ago?

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by dominotw »

mike00632 wrote: post #189
dominotw wrote: post #149

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i uninstalled it and avoid it all cost because i ended up spending around 14 hrs in the app for the 5 days i had it installed on my phone. Unfortunately now the copy cats like youtube shorts have me hooked and i cannot uninstall youtube because i use it for so many more things.

How are you encountering YouTube shorts? I use YouTube everyday on both my phone and TV but have never seen them. Where are they?

i have shorts tab in the bottom next to home in my android youtube app.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by rvz »

bmarquez wrote: post #203
rvz wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea why you are downvoted, other than annoying the TikTok fanatics on this thread with "the facts" and a dose of reality that they seem to be trying to escape from by going into their own world of dancing short videos and community memes which is governed by another "recommendation algorithm" just like the rest of the other social networks out there. Nothing has changed. Even when there is strong evidence of this…

> blatant censorship and suppression If you want a truly free speech social network, consider using Gab or 4chan. Oh wait, many potential users would find the content there distasteful. There's no perfect social network out there. The other major social networks are happy to censor too (e.g. Trump, doctors discussing COVID-19 contrary to government agencies, etc) and they're just as bad with privacy too. Actually wor…

I wasn't talking about or looking for "a truly free speech social network". My point is that someone made a wild baseless claim that "TikTok ended censorship" without any evidence supplied to back this claim and it was debunked immediately WITH strong counter evidence.

> If you want a truly free speech social network, consider using Gab or 4chan. Oh wait, many potential users would find the content there distasteful.

A 'true' 'free speech social network' also allows illegal content to be uploaded on there. Gab and 4chan censor content that is deemed illegal; thus they don't qualify for this.

I've tried both Twitter, and Gab and deleted both of my accounts there since the not only the content there was very distasteful, but they are both poor on protecting your privacy.

Disinformation and misleading content is still spreading around on their platforms and to some extent, it seems that Twitter doesn't censor some content that is actually illegal. [0] They seem to think that their community rules are above the law.

[0] https://twitter.com/mike_salter/status/1352342668370579456?l...

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by gerash »

belval wrote: post #104
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #94

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Having people spend their attention span w/ "fun" content – as opposed to political / critical – seems perfect for a dystopian state.

It's highly debatable that the current twitter mobs are doing anything but alienating the wider population to their cause. Liking or retweeting some police abuse video has about the same impact as liking a picture about famine in Somalia, the dopamine hit is just stronger.

A friend of mine was targeted by a fringe group. They were doxxed along with some stolen private family photos and their real PII circulating around in Twitter with lots of threats from the dumpster fire that are Twitter accounts. It was a traumatizing experience if you're a normal person and not used to this kind of negative attention attached to your real identity.

FB takes a lot of heat here vs Twitter perhaps because Zuck seems creepy but Jack Dorsey detoxes for one week in Africa but Instagram were quick to take down those threatening posts with PII but I was told Twitter asked for all sorts of government ID and then auto closed all the cases saying it's all within their terms and conditions. If any social media needs to disappear I think Twitter should be first in line.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by sudosysgen »

bmarquez wrote: post #203
rvz wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea why you are downvoted, other than annoying the TikTok fanatics on this thread with "the facts" and a dose of reality that they seem to be trying to escape from by going into their own world of dancing short videos and community memes which is governed by another "recommendation algorithm" just like the rest of the other social networks out there. Nothing has changed. Even when there is strong evidence of this…

> blatant censorship and suppression If you want a truly free speech social network, consider using Gab or 4chan. Oh wait, many potential users would find the content there distasteful. There's no perfect social network out there. The other major social networks are happy to censor too (e.g. Trump, doctors discussing COVID-19 contrary to government agencies, etc) and they're just as bad with privacy too. Actually wor…

4chan will ban you or hide your posts for asking the wrong questions or writing things the "jannies" don't agree with. I don't know about Gab, but 4chan is free-speech in name only, if you make left-wing arguments that are too convincing your posts will be hidden or removed. Happened to me before.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by sudosysgen »

rvz wrote: post #207
bmarquez wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> blatant censorship and suppression If you want a truly free speech social network, consider using Gab or 4chan. Oh wait, many potential users would find the content there distasteful. There's no perfect social network out there. The other major social networks are happy to censor too (e.g. Trump, doctors discussing COVID-19 contrary to government agencies, etc) and they're just as bad with privacy too. Actually wor…

I wasn't talking about or looking for "a truly free speech social network" . My point is that someone made a wild baseless claim that "TikTok ended censorship" without any evidence supplied to back this claim and it was debunked immediately WITH strong counter evidence. > If you want a truly free speech social network, consider using Gab or 4chan. Oh wait, many potential users would find the content there distasteful…

At least 4chan's /pol/ isn't actually free speech, the mods will remove your content if they don't like it and think it will harm their Nazi project.
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