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Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by rswail »

wwalexander wrote: post #34
nailer wrote: post #9

I’ve said this before on HN, but as a reminder the following are all verifiable facts: there is no dedicated macOS team anymore, Apple market iPads as a superior alternative to a laptop, and macOS as a percentage of revenue has over a long period dwindled in favour of iOS (with a few minor blips along the way). A reasonable conclusion is that macOS isn’t apple’s priority. Meanwhile with WSL and Terminal Microsoft is…

The MacPorts project has existed for 7 years longer than Homebrew, and is a much more sane experience similar to FreeBSD ports. In fact, Jordan Hubbard, the co-founder of FreeBSD and the original author of FreeBSD ports, was involved in the MacPorts project (along with other Apple employees). I’m always baffled that Homebrew is seen as the standard macOS package manager. MacPorts has existed for many more years. It b…

Second vote for Macports. It's awesome, and filed some bugs during the Big Sur beta, they all got triaged and processed really fast with new package releases only days later.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by Tempest1981 »

geerlingguy wrote: post #8

The new tab/address bar thing could be the reason I switch back away from Safari after using it as my main browser for a few years due to its energy efficiency compared to Firefox and Chrome. What UI designer thought taking away more space for the tab bar was a good idea? Does that person even use a web browser?

They're optimizing for a user with a 13" display, who never opens more than 5 tabs, and rarely switches pages.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by defaultname »

capex wrote: post #43
defaultname wrote: post #11

Linked article refers to the changes in Safari as "thoughtless UI", which is a fairly common argument used against changes that people don't like. Against Apple, Microsoft, WinAmp, Reddit, etc. But let's be fair and note that there quite certainly a lot of very proud, considerate, intentional designers and developers who are behind this change. People who probably put thousands (millions?) multiples of "thought" in c…

Did you even read the article? The whole article is about why the UI changes are thoughtless.

Yes, I read the article. And I completely disagree with a lot of the claims made in it. Claiming that these changes are "thoughtless" is grossly unprofessional foolishness to pejoratively stomp one's feet to "get their way". It's embarrassing.

You can disagree with the changes. You can make arguments (understand that other people also have arguments -- for instance on the importance of the address bar, or how a browser should work with 35 tabs, which fwiw they all are trash at that level), but if you need to demand that anyone with a different opinion is "thoughtless", you have no position at all.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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1_player wrote: post #3

The updated Safari has had a baffling UI update. It does not make any sense at all, on THE most important application that's shipped with the operating system. It's those kind of UI ideas that look great on a mockup, but do not work in reality with real data and real users, those that open 35 tabs—behaviour encouraged by macOS windowing system by the way—and now all of those are crammed into a ludicrously small space…

“but do not work in reality with real data and real users, those that open 35 tabs”

That is close to stating that those that open fewer than 35 tabs aren’t real users and, further between the lines, that those people can be ignored.

However I think, but don’t have data to confirm it, that they should be catered for and that “those that open 35 tabs” are a vocal minority.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by rpastuszak »

Am I the only person who likes this change? Normally, I’d have 4-5 tabs that I keep switching between fairly often and then 20-xx most of the time useless, de facto bookmarks. I use a keyboard shortcut with fuzzy find to pick the right one.

Reclaiming the address bar space to cram more tabs on the screen is a marginal gain, at least in my case.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by Retr0id »

ballballball wrote: post #44
threeseed wrote: post #30

> Two things any user, no matter their tech-savviness, has needed in a browser. A wide Address bar to see exactly where they are, which webpage it’s loaded, the whole URL This is clearly wrong and brings the judgement of the author into question. People care that they are on "Facebook", "Google", "Youtube". They are not remembering that a stupid cat video belongs to URL: ?v=X2KsttcwC04

That’s like… just your opinion man. Maybe some people like to see the whole URL. I kinda do. There might be others.

99% of HN users want to see the full URL, myself included.

However, we only care because we know what a URL is, and what the different components mean.

The average user doesn't understand the intricacies of URLs, nor should they have to. Parsing URLs unambiguously is hard even for programmers, and has been the source of numerous security vulnerabilities.

I think there should always be an option to show the full URL bar, but I can't really argue for it being the default behavior anymore.

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