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Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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> Two things any user, no matter their tech-savviness, has needed in a browser. A wide Address bar to see exactly where they are, which webpage it’s loaded, the whole URL This is clearly wrong and brings the judgement of the author into question. People care that they are on "Facebook", "Google", "Youtube". They are not remembering that a stupid cat video belongs to URL: ?v=X2KsttcwC04

Oh man, you had a classic opportunity, surely you should have quoted ?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

#42

Linked article refers to the changes in Safari as "thoughtless UI", which is a fairly common argument used against changes that people don't like. Against Apple, Microsoft, WinAmp, Reddit, etc. But let's be fair and note that there quite certainly a lot of very proud, considerate, intentional designers and developers who are behind this change. People who probably put thousands (millions?) multiples of "thought" in c…

> …yet they're presented as if they're objective truths. Readability is objective. It can be measured. They keep bending themselves backwards to get out of a problem they inflicted upon themselves. A web browser should be readable first.

Someone's casual opinion about "readability" is not objective. It is the very definition of subjective. I mean, if you've been on HN at all you've seen massive debates about fonts, colors, contrast, and so on, where people have profoundly different opinions about readability.

Run a study and then talk. Otherwise it's just subjective observations.

Further, we're talking about page theme spreading to the chrome of the browser. It makes the chrome less important than the page contents. It seems they're putting "readability" focus exactly where it should be.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

#43

Linked article refers to the changes in Safari as "thoughtless UI", which is a fairly common argument used against changes that people don't like. Against Apple, Microsoft, WinAmp, Reddit, etc. But let's be fair and note that there quite certainly a lot of very proud, considerate, intentional designers and developers who are behind this change. People who probably put thousands (millions?) multiples of "thought" in c…

Did you even read the article? The whole article is about why the UI changes are thoughtless.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

#44

> Two things any user, no matter their tech-savviness, has needed in a browser. A wide Address bar to see exactly where they are, which webpage it’s loaded, the whole URL This is clearly wrong and brings the judgement of the author into question. People care that they are on "Facebook", "Google", "Youtube". They are not remembering that a stupid cat video belongs to URL: ?v=X2KsttcwC04

That’s like… just your opinion man. Maybe some people like to see the whole URL. I kinda do. There might be others.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adguard is 99% the same, and free, and on iOS.

Ad blockers on Safari are apparently unable to block YouTube ads, due to API limitations. I wish Firefox wouldn't excessively drain the battery on macOS, and Chrome wouldn't excessively drain personal data to Google, and Brave wouldn't excessively violate the trust of its users. As of today, there's not a single browser on macOS that I don't strongly dislike. Looks like Safari won't improve soon.

Adguard blocks YouTube ads. Maybe actually try it before dismissing it lol

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

#46

> Two things any user, no matter their tech-savviness, has needed in a browser. A wide Address bar to see exactly where they are, which webpage it’s loaded, the whole URL This is clearly wrong and brings the judgement of the author into question. People care that they are on "Facebook", "Google", "Youtube". They are not remembering that a stupid cat video belongs to URL: ?v=X2KsttcwC04

That’s like… just your opinion man. Maybe some people like to see the whole URL. I kinda do. There might be others.

I take it you skipped past the, "any user, no matter their tech-savviness" part.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

#47

> Two things any user, no matter their tech-savviness, has needed in a browser. A wide Address bar to see exactly where they are, which webpage it’s loaded, the whole URL This is clearly wrong and brings the judgement of the author into question. People care that they are on "Facebook", "Google", "Youtube". They are not remembering that a stupid cat video belongs to URL: ?v=X2KsttcwC04

I was looking forward to a good cat video but just got the message “This video is unavailable.” What a tease!

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

#48
New Safari design really reminds me Internet Explorer 9 and 10. It also had tabs right to the address bar. Back then I was amazed with the idea, but looking at window icons taking massive horizontal space I became disappointed. Still tried to use it though, but it quickly became clear that there just not enough horizontal space with 720p monitor to fit more than 2 tabs while still understand what is open.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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The updated Safari has had a baffling UI update. It does not make any sense at all, on THE most important application that's shipped with the operating system. It's those kind of UI ideas that look great on a mockup, but do not work in reality with real data and real users, those that open 35 tabs—behaviour encouraged by macOS windowing system by the way—and now all of those are crammed into a ludicrously small space…

It’s hard to judge something that’s constantly changing, to make a final decision anyway. They exploit our good nature and milk the benefit of the doubt with military precision, leaving us confused, powerless and hooked on the update system of their products and services.
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