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HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by zero_deg_kevin »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #188
jacob2484 wrote: post #9

Feel truly bad for Hong Kong here. Sadly nothing will be done here by the west. Let's not forget a "social justice" warrior LeBron James criticized an NBA owner for tweeting "Stand with Hong Kong" not too long ago. It's all about money in the west.

“Sadly nothing will be done here by the west.” What concrete actions would you suggest?

I hope they’re not inviting us to bomb China until representative democracy takes root. We’re not terribly good at that, but we’re far more effective at that than diplomacy.

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Post by toomanybeersies »

boredprograming wrote: post #205
ackbar03 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shows the importance of cultural understanding and the lack of it when western commentators look at events in China. July 1st marks the 100th anniversary of the CCP, its pretty simple. It was probably done just to make ensure stability and so that it goes by without a hitch and nobody tries anything stupid. This sort of stuff is pretty typical of them, especially near important dates.

I may be typical but it's nuts. Send your secret police to harass your critics whenever an important date is coming up.

Technically, it was 500 uniformed officers, and not the secret police (which in this case would be the MSS).

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Post by toomanybeersies »

typeformer wrote: post #4

This is tragic, the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses instead of solely pursuing their own business and national interests. They could all offer residency programs for the bright students and others that are currently suffocating there. China can’t punish all these countries together. If no one stands up Taiwan will be next to fall and then China would…

That's exactly what the UK has done [1], and to a lesser extent, Australia as well [2]

However, I don't think trying to grab all and all Hong Kong residents who are privileged enough to emigrate is necessarily the solution to the problem. Hong Kong will still fall to totalitarianism, even more so without the intelligentsia.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-security-britain...

[2] https://www.sbs.com.au/news/hong-kong-citizens-in-australia-...

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Post by petre »

baybal2 wrote: post #183
xwolfi wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the goal of Beijing is for the party to survive, there are many solutions between murdering us all and let HK become a country. I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ? I propose to work around the party, like Macau, sing the anthem from time to time and basta, the problem can only be fixed by China as a whole, not at our level. Beijing cannot "back off" more violence, they can only double dow…

> if they're a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, that committed too many crimes to welcome honest competition, If you back down to a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, you support the mafia, and you become a man without honour. Such people never returned a punch to the face, and never prevailed. > I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ? For the amount of money an average HK billiona…

Since when is Bulgaria and the Balkans a military industrial complex? I thought the Bulgarians made tomatoes and peppers and the Serbs made slibovitz and plum jam. Both countries are homes to great food. North Macedonia too.

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Post by diggernet »

lvturner wrote: post #147
mads wrote: post #145

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I dont get it. What is racist about it?

I will take your question in good faith and assume that you merely missed it due to the way the original statement was worded. It explicitly states that everyone "over the border" (in Mainland China) are the polar opposite of "genuinely lovely people" which would be to say that every single person living in/from Mainland China is a horrible/nasty person. This is quite clearly both ignorant and racist - also, provably…

Ignorant, yes. Provably false, yes. Bigoted, yes. Racist, no. Both "over the border" and "genuinely lovely" groups are the same race.

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Post by brailsafe »

jbirer wrote: post #195
phyalow wrote: post #3

This is another nail in the coffin of the Hong Kong we knew and loved… I was a resident for many years, I witnessed the peaceful protests of 2014, I witnessed horrifying wanton violence in 2019, I witnessed the rapid destruction of the freest laissez faire city state in the world. Above all I feel great sadness for the people of Hong Kong. The CCP cannot tolerate any dissenting voices as a matter of preserving their…

I visited Hong Kong in January 2020 for the second time, having become mesmerized with the development, skyline and freedom during my first visit in 2018. It was a truly sad sight to see, people afraid to speak, red banners everywhere, lots of questions asked at the border etc.

Well, there's still Vancouver ;)

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Post by archibaldJ »

diggernet wrote: post #225
lvturner wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will take your question in good faith and assume that you merely missed it due to the way the original statement was worded. It explicitly states that everyone "over the border" (in Mainland China) are the polar opposite of "genuinely lovely people" which would be to say that every single person living in/from Mainland China is a horrible/nasty person. This is quite clearly both ignorant and racist - also, provably…

Ignorant, yes. Provably false, yes. Bigoted, yes. Racist, no. Both "over the border" and "genuinely lovely" groups are the same race.

> are the same race.

Depends on who you ask. Race is a purely human construct (and a very nebulous one). The classification of 'human race' is entirely made up and has no biological science to it.

Ethnolinguistically Cantonese is very different from Mandrain. And culturally (in terms of diet, customs) Cantonese is also quite distinct from say Wu (Shanghai), etc.

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Post by ayngg »

digianarchist wrote: post #137
ayngg wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The writing was on the wall well before it was even handed over. England was in no position to defend the island after the lease on the New Territories ended, nor are they capable of doing anything to prevent the CCP from slowly eroding institutions in Hong Kong now. Everyone else has little to no skin the game to risk anything significant. Their only hope was the belief that the economic development of China would u…

Britain failed to enact democratic reforms well before the handover [0]. Chris Patton and successive British governments are partly to blame [1]. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan_(Hong_Kong) [1] - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/28/i-should-have-...

You are right, that was probably the most significant path not taken, though at the time it probably wasn't attended to with 1997 in mind which is why it was left on the back burner. By the time sovereignty negotiations began in the 80s it was probably too late.

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Post by jollybean »

xwolfi wrote: post #99
seattle_spring wrote: post #81

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Was Apple Daily regularly sharing outright falsified stories?

Yes, I dunno what you call regular, but they repeated taiwanese rumours that were vastly exagerated. In 2019 saying the police didnt kill 2000 people in secret would warrant you a slap in the street, because of these newspapers that were a bit... activist ? Kids that were arrested were hollered by these Apple Daily journalists to display their ID card to the camera in case they disappeared, creating a climate were th…

There's no middle ground really: China has taken over, you have no rights. That's it.

If you speak ill of someone powerful, you'll disappear one way or another.

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Post by DaedPsyker »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #175
phyalow wrote: post #3

This is another nail in the coffin of the Hong Kong we knew and loved… I was a resident for many years, I witnessed the peaceful protests of 2014, I witnessed horrifying wanton violence in 2019, I witnessed the rapid destruction of the freest laissez faire city state in the world. Above all I feel great sadness for the people of Hong Kong. The CCP cannot tolerate any dissenting voices as a matter of preserving their…

But why would this be in any way surprising? We knew since the agreement between China an the UK that this day would come. The whole world knew. Maybe the residents of HK had some vague hope China would give them more freedom than in the mainland (why would they??) but in other parts of the world the picture was rather clear. I expected massive emigration but as far as I can tell people had the idea to stay and fight…

But it is early, it was supposed to be left alone for another 30 years.

CCP actions, or rather Xi, imo, reflect a level of nativity or perhaps just typical authoritarian paranoia. People in Hong Kong were warming up to the mainland, more and more were identifying as Chinese primarily. If CCP had left well alone and continued on the course, they would have had a loyal Hong Kong with a new generation that could accept gradual reform, but they've poisoned that well.

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