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HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by _tik_ »

phyalow wrote: post #3

This is another nail in the coffin of the Hong Kong we knew and loved… I was a resident for many years, I witnessed the peaceful protests of 2014, I witnessed horrifying wanton violence in 2019, I witnessed the rapid destruction of the freest laissez faire city state in the world. Above all I feel great sadness for the people of Hong Kong. The CCP cannot tolerate any dissenting voices as a matter of preserving their…

This happened under British Hong Kong too. The British never tolerate dissenting voice.The 1960 and 1967 protest, the British label it as Riot, end in violence too. I think Hong Kong can only be peaceful if they solve the huge inequality. The image of wealth and poverty living side by side is very dystopian.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by crossroadsguy »

alisonatwork wrote: post #92
stanislavb wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can't link HK being a Commonwealth colony up until recently... somehow? I don't want to say that Palestinian people shouldn't be helped. What I want to say is that it's more or less obvious why the UK is more eager to help HK.

I think the British bear some responsibility for the current situation in Israel/Palestine as well, given the region was a British mandate between the wars. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

Is there anywhere that British left from and didn’t ensure an everlasting rift in the region?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by throwaway4good »

pcwalton wrote: post #77
hohohmm wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess even the lowest bar of news integrity is an optional choice when it comes to Hong Kong?

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 19: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Notice how there's no clause stating that this right is conditional on "news integrity".

Any country put limits on its media, and free media is not always a force for good:

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/in-depth-the-63-uk-journalist...

In depth: The 63 UK journalists arrested and/or charged following the News of the World hacking scandal

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by hohohmm »

pcwalton wrote: post #77
hohohmm wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess even the lowest bar of news integrity is an optional choice when it comes to Hong Kong?

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 19: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Notice how there's no clause stating that this right is conditional on "news integrity".

That makes me laugh. I guess the United States is ran solely on this document and no other detailed laws.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

#105

Post by markdown »

techrat wrote: post #94
stanislavb wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just try. You will be surprised how often (not always) there's an alternative. Then, even if you pay a bit more, in most cases you'll be getting better quality too.

Find me a smartphone that is made in the US with no Chinese parts, then. Or anything that goes into a laptop. Or desktop. Those are the primary components/products that China needs to destructively mine and process raw materials for. Until we recycle electronics as a standard instead of a "we care about being Green(tm)" gesture... manufacturing is always going to go where it's cheapest.

The examples you provided are bought once couple of years. There's no harm in buying them from China.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by [deleted] »

ayngg wrote: post #55
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #20

Hong Kong is dead, and the CCP killed it. Daily reminder that the Chinese Government should never ever be trusted. China agreed not to touch Hong Kong's system politically or economically until at least 2047. They couldn't manage even half of that, and there are now many Hong Kongers sitting in jail for the "crime" of supporting democracy in Hong Kong (not even China!), which was made illegal by the CCP under "nation…

The writing was on the wall well before it was even handed over. England was in no position to defend the island after the lease on the New Territories ended, nor are they capable of doing anything to prevent the CCP from slowly eroding institutions in Hong Kong now. Everyone else has little to no skin the game to risk anything significant. Their only hope was the belief that the economic development of China would u…

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

#107

Post by slipframe »

alisonatwork wrote: post #92
stanislavb wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can't link HK being a Commonwealth colony up until recently... somehow? I don't want to say that Palestinian people shouldn't be helped. What I want to say is that it's more or less obvious why the UK is more eager to help HK.

I think the British bear some responsibility for the current situation in Israel/Palestine as well, given the region was a British mandate between the wars. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

This is a point worth expanding on. Among other things, the British changed the nature of land laws in the region. Under the Ottoman system, a whole lot of land was not owned by the Arab farmers and villagers who had been living on that land for generations, but was instead owned by foreign absentee landlords. Under the Ottoman system, these landlords were entitled to collect rent from the people living on 'their' land, but weren't allowed to kick everybody living there off the land (there were some attempts, but they mostly got rebuffed. The Fula Affair is an example of this.)

The British changed the laws, allowing these foreign absentee landlords to sell the land and eviction of everybody living there. Dozens of Arab villages were depopulated with little if any compensation. Landlessness among the Arab population increased significantly, causing uncertainty and resentment that inflamed tensions with the people who were buying and moving onto that land.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by _tik_ »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #20

Hong Kong is dead, and the CCP killed it. Daily reminder that the Chinese Government should never ever be trusted. China agreed not to touch Hong Kong's system politically or economically until at least 2047. They couldn't manage even half of that, and there are now many Hong Kongers sitting in jail for the "crime" of supporting democracy in Hong Kong (not even China!), which was made illegal by the CCP under "nation…

British Hong Kong is not a democracy too. British rule. Hong Kong only have a limited election in 1985 only after the the handover was sealed. The CCP looks at the 1985 election as a British plot to sabotage the handover.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by tru3_power »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #102
alisonatwork wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the British bear some responsibility for the current situation in Israel/Palestine as well, given the region was a British mandate between the wars. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

Is there anywhere that British left from and didn’t ensure an everlasting rift in the region?

Lol - this is colonialism in general right?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by dang »

potatofarmer45 wrote: post #68

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