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Post by dalbasal »

a1369209993 wrote: post #147
dalbasal wrote: post #91

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A related way of thinking of these might be legible Vs illegible. Legible risks are mostly "heuristic 1." They can be measured, quantified, discussed in discrete terms. You can be yelled at over legible things, like ignoring stranger danger on a subway. It's harder to yell about nuance. Illegible things are less discrete. The consequences, some hard to describe, many unknown, of growing up without freedom and self re…

> Illegible things are less discreet. Illegible things are less discrete , but probably more "discreet", on average.

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Re: Kids need freedom, too

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Post by Symbiote »

mulmen wrote: post #177
burlesona wrote: post #169

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I agree wholeheartedly. My life dream is to build a car-free city in the US so I can live there. When I was young and even more naive I hoped I could do this before having kids, so they could grow up with that freedom. Now I’m hoping maybe I can do this by the time I have grandchildren. We’ll see. It would require a lot of capital in the form of patient equity to pull off.

You could just move to a walkable neighborhood in an existing city.

I don't know North America well enough, but the linked video says such walkable neighbourhoods have very high prices. That's great if you can afford it, but it's also good to campaign for it to be available for those who can't.

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Post by _jal »

CalRobert wrote: post #154

It's great to allow your kids to take risks, and we do this with our own as much as we can (they're 1 and 3, so "within reason" is still doing some heavy lifting. I pick ticks off of them now and then and patch up their share of bruises). But fundamentally, what I want most is to be somewhere my kids can ride bikes or walk alone to school, to friends, to the shop, etc. from the age of 7 or so. As best I can tell that…

> I suppose you _can_ let your kid ride a bike to school alone in the US at 7

I think you're forgetting just how big and diverse the US is.

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Post by mroset »

nikolay wrote: post #138
akomtu wrote: post #102

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Because peer pressure and because it gives them a sense of accomplishment. And because, well, kids often happen by accident.

My son just underwent Sex Ed this year - it was so detailed that I'm sure many adults could learn tons of stuff. Yet, accidents happen, but mostly because we don't educate kids. In the past, I remember my grandparents talking to my sister about these things, and teen pregnancies were much less than now with all the Sex Ed, wide availability of contraceptives, etc.

> teen pregnancies were much less than now with all the Sex Ed, wide availability of contraceptives, etc.

While a common perception, that's actually almost entirely false. Teen pregnancies have been dropping pretty steadily for the last ~70 years and they're now almost one quarter the rate of just 30 years ago. Sex ed and availability of contraceptives (especially IUDs) are quite effective at preventing teen pregnancies.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-...

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Post by lordnacho »

CalRobert wrote: post #154

It's great to allow your kids to take risks, and we do this with our own as much as we can (they're 1 and 3, so "within reason" is still doing some heavy lifting. I pick ticks off of them now and then and patch up their share of bruises). But fundamentally, what I want most is to be somewhere my kids can ride bikes or walk alone to school, to friends, to the shop, etc. from the age of 7 or so. As best I can tell that…

In Switzerland you'll see very young kids taking themselves to school too. In fact I think the schools discourage you from doing them off. Loads of kids can be seen around town going to and from school, totally normal.

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Post by vlunkr »

jonny_eh wrote: post #92
vlunkr wrote: post #81

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That may be because myself and many others here live in areas where we never rode trains or subways at all.

Riding the subway is far safer than being driven in a car. https://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/12/19/heres-how-much-safer-...

Well the fear of letting a child go by themselves would be that they would get lost, kidnapped, or robbed.

Re: Kids need freedom, too

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Post by jlos »

naravara wrote: post #151
jlos wrote: post #6

I think the problem "de-risking" childhood is only an instance of the bigger problem of what Roger Scruton calls "Risk De-aggregation". Risk Deaggregation is taking a single point of risk (and its associated metric), and optimizing to reduce that risk as if it exists in isolation from other risks. I.e. Risk occurs in aggregate, not as individual threats. Risk deaggregation happens everywhere from Climate Change polic…

I'm trying to look this up but the only hit for "Roger Scruton Risk De-aggregation" is this comment. Any recommendations on where I can read more about this? I've found other Scruton articles that talk about swing sets and stuff but not the term specifically.

It's in his book "How to think seriously about the planet: a case for environmental conservatism"

Dont have the page, but the book is good enough that it's worth reading

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Post by colinmhayes »

Symbiote wrote: post #182
mulmen wrote: post #177

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You could just move to a walkable neighborhood in an existing city.

I don't know North America well enough, but the linked video says such walkable neighbourhoods have very high prices. That's great if you can afford it, but it's also good to campaign for it to be available for those who can't.

But if you built a similar city it would likely have high prices too. Why not try to get more housing built in the places that are already nice instead?

Re: Kids need freedom, too

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Post by Der_Einzige »

Kluny wrote: post #78
lghh wrote: post #70

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Agreed. So is the solution to reduce white social trust as well or to empower non-white social trust?

I think it might be. When those who benefit from the current paradigm are forced to experience the pain that everyone else has been dealing with, they get motivated change things and they have the power to make it happen.

In practice, this doesn't happen. Instead they vote for people like trump.
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