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Yes, far more informed than reading Dinesh D’Souza Facebook posts or natural wellness Instagram stories.
Is that the only other alternative?
Yes, unless you’re going to say Joe Rogan who I fit under natural wellness.
Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
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According to the survey, 56 percent say they dine at a restaurant, get take out or have a meal delivered 2 to 3 times a week. Fully 10 percent said they eat out 4 to 6 times a week, and 6 percent said they eat out everyday. https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/05/16/survey-shows-how-o...
It's unfortunate that the link to the actual survey: https://www.fourth.com/resource/truth-about-dining-out-infog... is now dead. All this is is a news site quoting it, second-hand, and I have seen enough news sites get original reporting wrong not to place a great deal of stock in them getting it right.
This seems to contain the stats you were looking for https://www.fourth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/US_Infogra...
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How much social mobility we talking? Statistically nobody goes from trailer park to billionare by working hard. You have very, very, good odds of doing better than your parents if you manage to get to age 25 without incurring a felony record, addiction to something that will likely kill you or too many child support payments. edit: I'm only talking about the US
> How much social mobility we talking? ([...] only talking about the US) My college US history course ~20 years ago very much drove home the fact that (at least at the time) social mobility in the US was the same as in India. The surprise, of course, was that India has a caste system, while the US narrative is freedom; if you work hard, you’ll get ahead. I don’t remember the sources, but the rate of social mobility (…
A milion of immigrants that come to US every year disagree with your "fact".
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> How much social mobility we talking? ([...] only talking about the US) My college US history course ~20 years ago very much drove home the fact that (at least at the time) social mobility in the US was the same as in India. The surprise, of course, was that India has a caste system, while the US narrative is freedom; if you work hard, you’ll get ahead. I don’t remember the sources, but the rate of social mobility (…
>social mobility in the US was the same as in India. The surprise, of course, was that India has a caste system, while the US narrative is freedom; if you work hard, you’ll get ahead. The difference is that the average standard of living ins the US far exceeds India's standard. Yes you may not make your way to billionaire high class status from the lower class but you certainly can drastically improve your circumstan…
class != caste
You can change class, not caste in your lifetime;
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>That is the normal social mobility we should expect in a democratic society That might be what we expect from a perfectly egalitarian society, but expecting any free, democratic society to come even close to perfect egalitarianism is completely delusional.
That is not egalitarianism (which would mean something closer to everyone owning the exact same amounts), it is the standard definition of "equality of opportunity".
Where do you place the cutoff for opportunity? Are things like innate ability, motivation, interest in lucrative pursuits for their own merits, luck of the draw not also just another kind of opportunity? There is no standard because nobody can agree on a standard. The only thing we can say for certain is that the kind of society you propose will never be attained through free and democratic political processes. Make of that what you will.
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Half the reason why minimum wages don't work: If they are too low they do nothing. The other half is that if they are too high they don't create jobs that pay minimum wage. You can't legislate private jobs into existence.
The point of the minimum wage is not to create jobs, it is to ensure that jobs that exist already pay a certain minimum. The more coherent argument against the minimum wage is that it destroys jobs which cannot be profitable for the employer at the higher wage. The problem with this argument is that the preponderance of research indicates a small magnitude for the elasticity of minimum-wage employment with respect to…
So in this hypothetical what happens to the 2.5% that lost their jobs? It seems to me that in an attempt to raise the average wage we’re reducing the cohort and removing those with little to no skills and putting them on the gov dole to make statistics happy.
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I've been a mid-level manager, upper-level manager and now run my own company. I simply won't hire or promote someone who isn't a hard worker. Does it guarantee success? Nope. Is it a requirement for success in many circumstances? Yep.
What if I came to work at your company as janitor? And I did a great job. Worked hard. Attention to detail. Polite, and easy to work with. Arrived early every day. Stayed late. The best janitor in every way. What are the chances I would move into another position at your company? My guess is 0%. You might keep me employed, and not fire me. Maybe pay me a little more. But there would be no realistic hope to jump up to…
man i am 100% agree on this..
this notion that someone wil see through your effort and you will get chances to move higher up.. are just illusion.
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A $150 Android would work just as well in that case.
The difference between the $800 phone and the $150 phone amortized over 3 years is 18 dollars/month. That's not what breaks the bank.
It’s a bit higher than $18/mo, and your average american changes their phone every 2 years, and further phones are not $800 anymore. But let’s assume they are, over 2 years that’s $34/mo and let’s say 4 people in the plan. Over the same period you’ve doubled your phone bill. If $100/mo is expensive then so should the $134/mo or so to upgrade phones every 2 years.
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> Plumber sends his kids to community college and all that. This is precisely the wrong model, one which accepts that there is no guarantee of equal opportunity. You're describing a promise almost as unworkable as the promise of heaven: if you're born poor, and you do everything well in life, your grandchildren's grandchildren will have a chance to enjoy the good life! That is not what a democratic free society shoul…
That's exactly the point. For example, my parents sacrificed a lot of give me and my brother the opportunity to get a good education, and now when they want to retire, they are unable to do it safely, as they could not accrue the wealth required to retire. They literally lived just to improve my chances of having a good life, which I might not have even succeeded on that. Is this fair to them? Definitely not.
Why not? Life is a team game.
Instead of ensuring certain comforts in old age, your parents made an investment into future. This way they get a peace of mind, a feeling of beating their own mortality, leaving something (well, someone) behind after they are gone. It's a great deal if that's how they see things.
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> wealth and influence can compound over time and groups of people would gain influence, power, and money. And this is the expected outcome of a perfectly meritocratic system. It is not. In a meritocratic system, children wouldn't inherit resources, access to education would be conditioned purely by merit, and so would access to jobs, finance opportunities etc. The nepotism rampant (edit: was "inherent") in corporati…
This is interesting, and I've never heard this definition of egalitarian. It certainly does solve the philosophical problem I've raised. I'm curious (genuinely) if large numbers of people are seriously suggesting such a system. How would it even be implemented? Well-off parents cannot buy their children clothing or food? They cannot give their used car to their children? Etc? That rich parents could not pay extra for…
There's an embedded cultural assumption in all of this: children are the property of their parents, rather than members of a community raised by the community as a whole.