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Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

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Post by qwerty456127 »

juloo wrote: post #8

Why do they still think we want tracking cookies ? The ad industry should prepare for a future with no tracking instead of trying to survive with ever shadier tricks, IMO. This won't work: - browsers other than Chrome will say "no tracking" by default, tracking companies won't like that - websites will ignore this, this will be known and people will be upset even more - more javascript when we want less

> Why do they still think we want tracking cookies?

Some people do. I would like to see relevant ads (of good special offers especially) if somebody could guarantee the ads are going to be humble and unintrusive), the goods advertised are of high quality and no-scam, the information they get from tracking can not be seen by any 3rd party (including legal authorities) and used for any purpose other than good recommendations under any circumstances ever.

When I just finished school I didn't mind cookies (and actually hoped ads relevance was going to increase and increase) because I didn't think about the dangers which come with them.

There are people who still believe they have nothing to hide and don't mind relevant offers.

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

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Post by presentation »

juloo wrote: post #8

Why do they still think we want tracking cookies ? The ad industry should prepare for a future with no tracking instead of trying to survive with ever shadier tricks, IMO. This won't work: - browsers other than Chrome will say "no tracking" by default, tracking companies won't like that - websites will ignore this, this will be known and people will be upset even more - more javascript when we want less

They don't think we want tracking cookies - it just doesn't matter what you want with all the incentives to track.

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

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Post by presentation »

vincentmarle wrote: post #36

All this does is move the cookie banner from the website to the browser which still means I have to click approve every time I visit a new website. What I really would like to do is to get rid of these annoying cookie banners entirely and have something auto opt-in for me so I can get back to a decent web browsing experience a la pre-2017…

Would be cool if you can set a default policy in the browser.

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

#44

Post by dividedbyzero »

sascha_sl wrote: post #15
worldsayshi wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless regulators force companies to respect automated protocols.

This. You can see the impact of this on the new iOS tracking permissions. Most people want to opt out, but can't. Regulators stepping in would spell the end of large sections of the online advertising industry, so I doubt it'll happen.

> Most people want to opt out, but can't.

Not following this too closely, I thought that's possible now, or at least as soon as the last few holdout apps get updated?

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

#45

Post by tempodox »

GrayShade wrote: post #32
hnarn wrote: post #24

The most frustrating thing about these cookie banners (more like cookie lightboxes) is that almost none of them are compliant with the rules. Unfortunately I don't have time to find the source right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read official EU guidance docs clearly stating that many "dark patterns" are simply illegal. For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessa…

> For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessary cookies, which almost every page does. Like those that make you uncheck 10 or 20 entries one by one.

Those are the worst. And calling them “legitimate interest” only adds insult to injury.

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

#46

Post by 7952 »

hnarn wrote: post #24

The most frustrating thing about these cookie banners (more like cookie lightboxes) is that almost none of them are compliant with the rules. Unfortunately I don't have time to find the source right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read official EU guidance docs clearly stating that many "dark patterns" are simply illegal. For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessa…

I have been building some sites where I have explicitly tried to remove or avoid cookies completely. It is really tricky as any third party script or embed can set cookies, which may be retained depending on browser version. We end up using generic cookie prompts just in case to appease corporate compliance even when nothing is usually set on the page. And the http nature of cookies make automating things much more difficult. You can't just drop in some javascript that overrides document.cookie, and even if you could it would not be supported by all browsers.

What I would like is to be able to whitelist domains in content security policy and reject everything else by default.

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

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Post by blowfish721 »

GrayShade wrote: post #32
hnarn wrote: post #24

The most frustrating thing about these cookie banners (more like cookie lightboxes) is that almost none of them are compliant with the rules. Unfortunately I don't have time to find the source right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read official EU guidance docs clearly stating that many "dark patterns" are simply illegal. For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessa…

> For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessary cookies, which almost every page does. Like those that make you uncheck 10 or 20 entries one by one.

The best ones are the ones that provide a list to 100 partners and ask you to visit them to opt out. Usually just close the tab when I hit one of those.

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

#48

Post by Macha »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #44
sascha_sl wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. You can see the impact of this on the new iOS tracking permissions. Most people want to opt out, but can't. Regulators stepping in would spell the end of large sections of the online advertising industry, so I doubt it'll happen.

> Most people want to opt out, but can't. Not following this too closely, I thought that's possible now, or at least as soon as the last few holdout apps get updated?

That's the point, by Apple taking control of the interface and preventing dark pattern bullshit, opt in rates are way lower on iOS than on websites.

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

#49

Post by diogominhava »

vincentmarle wrote: post #36

All this does is move the cookie banner from the website to the browser which still means I have to click approve every time I visit a new website. What I really would like to do is to get rid of these annoying cookie banners entirely and have something auto opt-in for me so I can get back to a decent web browsing experience a la pre-2017…

This is exactly what we're trying to do at Super Agent - check it out https://www.super-agent.com. Choose your preferences once and our extension will automate opt-in/opt-out where possible :)

Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete

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Post by [deleted] »

7952 wrote: post #46
hnarn wrote: post #24

The most frustrating thing about these cookie banners (more like cookie lightboxes) is that almost none of them are compliant with the rules. Unfortunately I don't have time to find the source right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read official EU guidance docs clearly stating that many "dark patterns" are simply illegal. For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessa…

I have been building some sites where I have explicitly tried to remove or avoid cookies completely. It is really tricky as any third party script or embed can set cookies, which may be retained depending on browser version. We end up using generic cookie prompts just in case to appease corporate compliance even when nothing is usually set on the page. And the http nature of cookies make automating things much more d…

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