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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by artificialLimbs »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #123
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #105

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It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

At least until Microsoft wraps-up the Open Business licensing program you can still acquire LTSC thru that program. You'll have to work with a reseller. It's a bit of a pain, but it's not too bad. I've used Dell and CDW in the past. The minimum volume license buy is 5 licenses. Any good reseller will sell you 1 copy of LTSC and 4 of the cheapest SKU in the catalog (usually $5-10 / ea) to get your volume license contr…

Im unconcerned about the calls but this doesn’t sound feasible for >500 seats.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #421
EvanAnderson wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least until Microsoft wraps-up the Open Business licensing program you can still acquire LTSC thru that program. You'll have to work with a reseller. It's a bit of a pain, but it's not too bad. I've used Dell and CDW in the past. The minimum volume license buy is 5 licenses. Any good reseller will sell you 1 copy of LTSC and 4 of the cheapest SKU in the catalog (usually $5-10 / ea) to get your volume license contr…

Im unconcerned about the calls but this doesn’t sound feasible for >500 seats.

If you have that kind of volume can't you buy LTSC from relatively normal channels?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by artificialLimbs »

riffic wrote: post #286
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

you know you could run Linux or something.

It’s true. But I still have to support the other 499 people in my org.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by artificialLimbs »

wetpaws wrote: post #311
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Just use Linux. I don't see much point in using windows in 2021, even for gaming.

I don’t play games on my Windows machine. I support hundreds of people who will never use Linux because it would cost too much time and money to switch.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by artificialLimbs »

underscore_ku wrote: post #185
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

just use linux, is better

You almost cannot convince an entrenched org of decent size to switch.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

swiley wrote: post #387
pitaj wrote: post #131

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Lack of multiplayer in most cases is a non-starter.

I play lots of multiplayer games on Linux. Multiplayer is a crap excuse for requiring a rootkit and if I really needed that I would just put emunand on my switch and call it a day.

Many AAA MP games aren't there due to anticheat not being portable.

Other AAA games aren't there due to complex, non-portable engines.

MANY AAA games work fine but their launchers don't (e.g., Blizzard, Origin).

All are shitty reasons for the games to not work. :p

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by sitzkrieg »

cm2187 wrote: post #142
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

And OS settings scattered around multiple places (control panel vs settings), forced rebooting every 10min, resetting your default apps regularly, trying to prevent me from creating a local account, and for most of the life of windows 10 a broken start menu (locking for a long time, inconsistent search results), cortana. I am personally convinced that the windows developers all use macs and are not bothered by these…

i have 33 days of uptime on my win 10 machine atm

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Clamchop »

Groxx wrote: post #414
NoSorryCannot wrote: post #366

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For Pro SKUs on up, group policy isn't exactly obvious but it is more effective. You can disable automatic downloading or installation of updates, and you can disable forced rebooting. You can also disable Cortana, most telemetry, and some other things. I've yet to see it messed with by an upgrade and it applies no matter what network you connect to.

I think you can disable Cortana (and many other annoyances) by just disabling the service. But yeah, group policy is generally more capable and fine grained. And yeah, Cortana was one of the first things I killed off after getting a windows machine again, though I don't remember for sure how. It's so bad.

You can but one of the grievances with what Microsoft is doing with Windows is the tendency to reverse some of those electives after you install an update. I haven't seen this happen with GP, probably because MS isn't in the habit of duping their corporate customers (yet?).

N.B. same guy, different account because passwords are hard.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by jodrellblank »

renata wrote: post #417
fsflover wrote: post #340

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> I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux But did you try to use hardware designed for Linux?

Does Linux want to be as popular as Windows or as popular as Mac? Nobody has to check whether their hardware is designed for Windows.

“Designed for Windows” has been a thing for decades: https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Windows/Compatible

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by jodrellblank »

Erlangen wrote: post #227
cm2187 wrote: post #142

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And OS settings scattered around multiple places (control panel vs settings), forced rebooting every 10min, resetting your default apps regularly, trying to prevent me from creating a local account, and for most of the life of windows 10 a broken start menu (locking for a long time, inconsistent search results), cortana. I am personally convinced that the windows developers all use macs and are not bothered by these…

> resetting your default apps regularly This is my biggest pain points of windows 10. Why is it OK for windows to change my default image viewer everyday, with the some obscure message "there is a problem with your image viewer, we changed it to preinstalled image viewer from Windows"? Why? My image viewer is running perfectly OK, it has never crashed. I don't understand it at all.

Your image viewer is editing registry keys to set itself as the file extension handler instead of using the correct way - the correct way is to register itself as a new handler so Windows prompts the user whether to change to the new program or not. Trying to make the change by editing registry keys is a pattern used by shady devs to hijack file extensions without user consent, and as s user defence Windows rejects the change and resets the file handlers to default.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20170517-00/?p=96...

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