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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by xattt »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Monkey’s Paw: Here you go! It is now called Windows 365, loses all legacy support and can only be leased on a monthly plan! The upside is that you don’t have to bother with all those pesky driver updates!

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by fragileone »

prometheus76 wrote: post #267
bsd44 wrote: post #241

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You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

Personally I'd rather deal with a few bugs than deal with a hostile operating system which is determined to surveil me and curtail my freedom of choice using dark patterns and uncontrollable settings.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tored »

dTal wrote: post #395
naikrovek wrote: post #341

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here's the thing, though. microsoft has watched people in the past NEVER update their operating system for whatever reason. too much of a pain, "no need", can't deal with the outage caused by a reboot, whatever. microsoft has also been blamed quite voraciously for "insecure" operating systems allowing worms to spread, when patched systems don't even get infected. so, because MS is damned if they do, and damned if the…

Maybe they should make an OS that doesn't get pwned if you connect it to the internet when it's two weeks behind on updates. Linux and BSD machines manage it. Remote 0-days don't come by that often.

cough Heartbleed cough

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by naikrovek »

dTal wrote: post #395
naikrovek wrote: post #341

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here's the thing, though. microsoft has watched people in the past NEVER update their operating system for whatever reason. too much of a pain, "no need", can't deal with the outage caused by a reboot, whatever. microsoft has also been blamed quite voraciously for "insecure" operating systems allowing worms to spread, when patched systems don't even get infected. so, because MS is damned if they do, and damned if the…

Maybe they should make an OS that doesn't get pwned if you connect it to the internet when it's two weeks behind on updates. Linux and BSD machines manage it. Remote 0-days don't come by that often.

> Maybe they should make an OS that doesn't get pwned if you connect it to the internet when it's two weeks behind on updates.

do you really believe that they AREN'T working on this? of course they are. the field of software development is extraordinarily young. we still don't know how to do things very well, and we're still discovering new ways to know we aren't doing things well.

> Linux and BSD machines manage it.

it's a matter of target value, and the number of people who would be inconvenienced enough to pay a random to unlock their files on Linux is FAR smaller than for Windows. So attackers go where the money is. Governments overwhelmingly use Windows as a desktop OS as well. Attackers go where the secrets are. etc.

And when you count remote exploits capable of remote code execution, last I read there had been slightly more of those on Linux than Windows. don't quote me on that until I find a source.

> Remote 0-days don't come by that often.

yes they do. not all of them get media attention, though. the most recent monthly patch from MS for Windows 10 included fixes for six of them. All were actively being exploited. SIX.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by MonaroVXR »

hughrr wrote: post #361
elipsey wrote: post #329

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Nvidia graphics driver perhaps? Linux with proprietary drivers tends to suck (and Nvidia has been especially unfriendly to FOSS drivers). Intel and AMD support open GPU drivers, which tend to be be better. This might be why you're hearing about experiences that don't match yours. Also, people can have legitimately different priorities. Some folks might want freedom from vendors badly enough to buy inferior but suppor…

I made the AMD choice and bought a T495 which is Ryzen + Radeon powered and supported by Ubuntu. The GPU drivers shit a brick every 10 minutes. I now own a Macbook Air.

I'm really interested in what happened. because Ubuntu isn't the best distro to choose when you have cutting/bleeding edge hardware.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by passivate »

flohofwoe wrote: post #343
passivate wrote: post #250

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Win 7 doesn't handle high dpi properly, doesn't have secure boot, storage pools, usb 3 (IIRC), DX12, face unlock, etc. There is quite a lot of UX stuff that has changed since 7.

Most of those are what I described as under-the-hood-changes though.

I do understand where you're coming from, but I guess I see it differently - For e.g. High DPI directly impacts UX for me as I can run older applications at 150% without squinting at the tiny icons. Security is part of UX for me, etc.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by amatecha »

amatecha wrote: post #377
eloff wrote: post #260

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One can complain about Windows, but at the end of the day I have way more issues with desktop Linux (which I use principally.) I find myself in an awkward situation where I don't like any of the three major desktop operating systems for different reasons. It's more a matter of picking the one that's less bad. Currently for me that's Linux for work, Windows for games, and Mac for a laptop. I need a new laptop next yea…

Check out FreeBSD or OpenBSD. Worth looking into, many ppl use these as their daily driver desktop OS.

Not sure why someone decided to downvote my comment, as it's a completely valid suggestion made in good faith and not some kind of nag or offtopic.

The BSD OSes are often overlooked as a desktop platform despite being very easy to run and configure. They have excellent built-in documentation that the rest of the community could take inspiration from. They are a complete OS built and maintained together, rather than a distribution of disparate software from various sources bundled around a kernel. Even this reason alone is enough to make them very cohesive, and easy to understand. Their default installations are minimal (perhaps even to a fault in some users' eyes) allowing you to be clearly aware of the software that gets installed. Managing and configuring services is, IMO, far easier than on Linux (depending on distribution).

This introduction to OpenBSD is a good video to watch get a bit of an idea of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkDVKthufAM

I understand that it's not for everyone, but I thought it's worth mentioning in case you hadn't looked at this family of OSes before, since I think they offer a huge amount of what Linux offers, but in a more cohesively-structured and simplified way. I'm definitely gradually becoming more invested myself (though still testing the waters hehe).

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by NexRebular »

amatecha wrote: post #407
amatecha wrote: post #377

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Check out FreeBSD or OpenBSD. Worth looking into, many ppl use these as their daily driver desktop OS.

Not sure why someone decided to downvote my comment, as it's a completely valid suggestion made in good faith and not some kind of nag or offtopic. The BSD OSes are often overlooked as a desktop platform despite being very easy to run and configure. They have excellent built-in documentation that the rest of the community could take inspiration from. They are a complete OS built and maintained together, rather than a…

Definitely worth looking at BSDs. For servers they are a no-brainer (as is illumos) but GhostBSD is also quite nice desktop ready edition of FreeBSD with GUI installer and all. Been trialing it at $work for general desktop use instead of linux and it seems to run pretty good on quite new hardware as well.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by azinman2 »

bsd44 wrote: post #288
hutzlibu wrote: post #262

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Yes, please do not make such claims without actually knowing. Just because some games are running more or less stable, doesn't mean you can run complex software with it.

That's a very bold assumption to make. I said "pretty much any" not "every" since we're talking about regular usage of a computer. OP didn't mention anything in particular so I suggested three alternatives. Before you start calling people out you should first define what "complex" is.

PowerPoint 2016 is listed as “garbage” in winehq, and that’s the latest version listed.

Recent Photoshop is either silver or garbage depending on the version. Premiere is listed as garbage for all versions.

Newest iTunes is bronze.

I’m not even trying to find bad examples. I’m just poking around in their public db for popular software that doesn’t exist in Linux. I’ve run into this every time I try to use wine for real — it’s never worked well. It’s also a really hard problem! You basically need to re-write Windows and all of it’s related components, which one of the worlds biggest companies has spent decades on and however many billions of dollars. But it’s not like “pretty much any” windows software will run well. It’s quite selective outside of games.

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