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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by prometheus76 »

bsd44 wrote: post #294
prometheus76 wrote: post #267

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Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

I've been using various Linux and BSD flavours as my main desktop OS and also at work for over 15 years now and never had any major issue such as the one you describe. So now what are we going to do? How do we decide who is right and who is wrong? I don't understand these types of comments, if an alternative doesn't work for you then you keep using what you were in the first place. There's no problem here. What exact…

The point of this kind of post is a counter-voice to the "Hey guys! Linux is desktop-ready now and so much better!" That might be true for some people. It hasn't been true for me every time I've tried out Linux, and I've been giving various flavors a shot since RedHat 2. And trying to find help or documentation for troubleshooting problems in Linux can be an absolute nightmare because of the million flavors and versions of linux and the chains of dependency for all of the different installations. If one person gets lazy (or is on vacation or dies) and doesn't update one specific part of a dependency chain, everything falls apart and good luck finding someone who is having the same problem who documented it in a way that google can bring you to.

I'm happy Linux "just works" for you, but that hasn't been my experience.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

bserge wrote: post #162
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #105

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It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

FWIW, Enterprise is the same, but with more updates... which sadly install at whatever time W10 wants with no regard for active hours (not sure what's up with that).

The updates are one of the things I like about LTSC though. It gets security updates only, so the behavior of the system never changes out from under me, and the updates download and install very quickly!

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Post by huhtenberg »

ZeWaren wrote: post #125
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #105

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It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

I'm glad I'm allowed to run LTSC. I've never seen a desktop OS that stable. I run it for months without reboots with a heavy usage and I never got any problems with it since I started using it in 2015.

I find that LTSC still sneaks in an OS update (and a reboot) every now and then, even though it is not supposed to be doing that.

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Post by golf1052 »

Jedd wrote: post #68

It's an interesting experiment to ask the average Microsoft Windows user to identify - let's say 5 things - in their current workflows, that they couldn't do in Microsoft Windows XP (or 7, etc - pick the subject's age-appropriate release). Similarly for versions of Microsoft Office products.

- WSL

- Game Bar (built in screen recording)

- Built in SSH

- Virtual Desktops

- Action Center (OS level notifications)

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Post by tored »

Macha wrote: post #319
tored wrote: post #313

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Even if Windows 10 has problems with scattered settings, old style programs vs new style apps, default apps and start menu annoyances, Linux Desktop annoyances are on a completely different level. The huge Gnome 3 schism, that lead to many different Gnome forks. And consequently GTK is more of a Gnome 3 toolkit rather than a universal toolkit, which will affect non-gnome GTK apps. And if you manage to pick a desktop,…

> And if you didn’t pick Gnome (or KDE) it is a good idea to install a compositor if you don’t like software rendered desktop like the good old Windows 9x days. So I haven't gone out of the way to install a compositor (are you talking a wayland compositor, or the older Compiz type stuff)? But I have 2x1440p and 1x1080p and I've not noticed any perf issues, which I assume is what you're highlighting as the downside? A…

Older compositor like compiz and compton. I have only used Wayland with Gnome 3. Without compositor I experienced screen tearing. Less popular desktop environments and window managers usually only support X.

My subjective feeling is that the snappiness is better in Windows than Linux and MacOS. I think that the pure desktop experience (moving & resizing windows, graphics, font rendering, login/logout, shortcuts, etc) is still unbeatable on Windows. What has gone downhill for Windows is the changes due to mobile & tablet adaptions and the cloud integration (Microsoft account vs local account etc).

I needed to install more up to date graphic libraries thru a PPA to avoid artifacts and weird rendering for a Steam installed game (Crusader Kings 3). Lutris is great, but to my understanding you need to manually install dxvk to get the best performance (someone can correct me on that (and Wine 6 broke a lot of things)). Also make sure you are running the correct gfx kernel module or otherwise hack your grub file.

Yes, you can disable swap entirely and hope it doesn't affect stability. By default Ubuntu creates a 2GB swap file, but if you are on a 16GB machine (not an unusual setup for a desktop computer) that can fill up pretty quickly and Linux will go into a swapping frenzy. You can't even ssh into the machine, just hard reboot or hope it recovers this hour.

When this happens the first time, it is not obvious that it is the swap file that is at blame for what happened. I'm not sure if it even exist a GUI for chaining the swap file size in Gnome (Disks app maybe?). But if you manage to change the swap file size, you have to decide, can I turn it off and hope nothing breaks or should increase it to match whatever RAM or more. It is weird that a desktop operating system ships with a feature that doesn't work.

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Post by naikrovek »

rleigh wrote: post #370
naikrovek wrote: post #333

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Every 2-3 days? Microsoft doesn't even publish patches that require reboots that often. NEVER has a Microsoft patch ever reset my power settings to re-enable standby after X minutes. I have dozens of machines that I use between home and work. never once has that happened. there's something else going on

Every major update e.g. 29H2 has reset the power settings the past couple of years. Patches don't do this, but the major updates do seem to reset a whole swath of basic settings and it's bloody infuriating.

No major release has ever done this to me. I have a desktop PC which I first installed Windows 10 on in 2015, and where I initially turned off the stupid "standby after 20 minutes of inactivity" setting, whatever it's called, and not once have I ever need to repeat that action. On that computer or any other.

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Post by swiley »

pitaj wrote: post #131
mstipetic wrote: post #27

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I now have PopOS and steam is running most games no problem. I’m very pleasantly surprised how well it works

Lack of multiplayer in most cases is a non-starter.

I play lots of multiplayer games on Linux. Multiplayer is a crap excuse for requiring a rootkit and if I really needed that I would just put emunand on my switch and call it a day.

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Post by Scramblejams »

thrower123 wrote: post #295
Scramblejams wrote: post #270

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Another reason not to run it is if any of the games you play require > 1809.

What would an example of that be?

Yep, sibling is correct. I'd used LTSC for all my gaming until MSFS came out, then I had to switch to Windows 10. Looking forward to the next LTSC version so I can switch back, hope it has WSL2.

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Post by [deleted] »

naikrovek wrote: post #330
Erlangen wrote: post #227

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> resetting your default apps regularly This is my biggest pain points of windows 10. Why is it OK for windows to change my default image viewer everyday, with the some obscure message "there is a problem with your image viewer, we changed it to preinstalled image viewer from Windows"? Why? My image viewer is running perfectly OK, it has never crashed. I don't understand it at all.

it's because your preferred image viewer isn't doing what it's supposed to do, and windows is correctly doing what it can to make sure you're using an image viewer that works.

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Post by z3t4 »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #25
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

You know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).

Often "telemetry" is collected just because it's possible, the more the merrier, rarely is it used to actually improve the product.
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