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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by api »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

This new era in personal computing is "you are the product, not the customer." This always sucks but it's absolutely unforgivable in an OS that you actually pay for. If Windows were free maybe it'd be a compromise some people would make.

The old era of personal computing was actual personal computing. If you want that MacOS is the closest commercial OS, or use Linux or BSD if you have more tinkering tolerance.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dannyw »

j1elo wrote: post #178

I think I'm getting old. In my memory, Windows 10 is still "the new thing" that released not so long ago :-] I still use 7, because of inertia and it's hard to change something that "just works" (read: I know its shortcomings by heart so I don't even need to think about how to avoid them), and also it accumulates years of fine tunings, configurations, and personalization. Also I bought a laptop that "already" came wi…

Still on Windows 7. Still loving it.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tomxor »

mattowen_uk wrote: post #80
tomxor wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or Linux + Official Windows API? :D you never know

Is there RemoteApp ability in any of the linux RDP clients? If so, there's the option of running Windows in a VM on your Linux machine, and having seamless Windows apps on your Linux desktop. It's a bit like what MS are going to offer with their WSL, but in reverse. I've never tried it, but it might work, and give people the best of both worlds.

WSL is not really virtualised, it's a linux kernel translation layer for linux userland (which is why it's not actually letting you use linux at all, it's allowing you to run GNU and some linux programs). What I mean is the reverse, running win programs on Linux without virtualisation, like WINE, but official win libs.

Imagine MS porting the _official_ windows libs to linux and FOSSing them so we don't have to play WINE roulette and get some official compatibility. It's not inconceivable, MS already realises their future is in SaaS, not desktop OS, this is an opportunity for them to finally throw in the towel and focus on their future.

... but it's probably not gona happen, they can easily keep eating the cost of windows and keep it as leverage just in-case, user experience be damned.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by cesarb »

partiallypro wrote: post #103
kathoum wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I switched from 7 to 10 when it was offered. I stayed with 10 for about one year, and I liked it thanks to all the fixes and improvements and despite the occasional quirk. But after one year, I realized my computer didn't feel like it was mine anymore. I jumped to linux and never went back.

Ubuntu started collecting telemetry in 2018, I don't see how it's invasive at all.

Linux is not just Ubuntu, there are plenty of distributions to choose from.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by nxc18 »

kalleboo wrote: post #10

Why does it just feel like Microsoft is copying Apple? When Microsoft launched Windows 10 it seemed like MacOS was going to stay at 10 forever. Now that macOS has moved on to 11, but is commonly only known by named releases, Microsoft is going to do the same... I'm looking forward to the next Windows being named after natural features of Washington state

Copying Apple would have involved announcing their new OS at their major developer conference and Microsoft couldn’t even pull that off… what a joke

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

ashergill wrote: post #194
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

I don't think this article is based on the 2015 date announcement. It seems to be based on a recent change in Microsoft's product lifecycle documentation. Here's the story in the Register, published earlier than the BBC article: https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/14/microsoft_windows_10_...

There has been no change in their product lifecycle documentation. A bunch of dumb bloggers are reposting each other after one guy found the page, decided it meant Windows 11 was imminent, and posted it.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by yellowapple »

thrower123 wrote: post #126
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

It's absurd how much better LTSC is than publicly available versions of Win 10. If you have enterprise licensing or MSDN subscriptions or Partner connections, the only reason not to run it is if you really, really need WSL. Even then, I think you can get it enabled if you really need to.

> the only reason not to run it is if you really, really need WSL. Even then, I think you can get it enabled if you really need to.

Indeed you can; I don't recall any difference between LTSC and non-LTSC when it comes to enabling WSL (though I haven't tried since WSL 2 came around, so maybe things changed).

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by maxpro »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

Why the need of new version? Just get rid of the "bad" stuff. I don't think is going to change much in this direction.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by TeMPOraL »

philipov wrote: post #4
rightbyte wrote: post #3

"a more modern look and a redesigned Start menu" Oh please no. Hopefully the new OS will lead to less updates for Windows 10 being force pushed to my computer.

Not likely. Forced updates are an "engagement mechanic."

Only thing missing is for them to start signing system files with a short-lived certificate, to force people to run updates every couple weeks.

Yes, I'm still bitter about my Windows Insider experience. On the one hand, it's kind of my fault - I signed up for testing the beta release. On the other hand, holy shit. I dual-boot, and I didn't log into Windows for some ~3 months, during which my Insider build expired. After that, when I finally did try booting to Windows, I was greeted with a completely bricked, unrecoverable system: core DLLs had expired certificates, and _nothing_ would start, as code signing checks failed.

(This was a Windows 10 upgraded from Windows 8, and it was past the free upgrade period, so I ended up buying a new Windows 10 license. So in the end, they've managed to make money off me with this.)

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by vimsee »

partiallypro wrote: post #101
mosselman wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

When a company, that has been playing a dirty game for decades making a monopoly of their software while collecting billions++ in licenses, people tend to expect some standards; and rightfully so.
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