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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by slownews45 »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Another thing, you used to be able to easily a) create a local account, b) create a domain account, c) create a default profile that new accounts used.

The new and improved setup gave us a crap start menu (apps vs programs etc), all sorts of crap defaults that no one would ever want, endless advertising disguised as "helpful" prompts. Did you know internet explorer is 10x faster than chrome? Did you know IE has been replaced by edge which is even faster than IE was? etc

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by illnewsthat »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

Here is the Microsoft support document that this article is based on: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-...

Windows 10 Home and Pro has a "Retirement Date" listed as 10/14/2025.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ergot_vacation »

onychomys wrote: post #158
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

You want to ban.....the BBC?

You're still operating under the notion that the BBC is Real Journalism, a grand institution that can be trusted as a source of well-researched, professionally vetted information. This hasn't been true for a long time, and this article is only a mild example of why. Most mainstream news sources have rotted away to being glorified tabloids at this point, and while the BBC may have rotted less, it's still in poor shape.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by cptskippy »

ashergill wrote: post #194
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

I don't think this article is based on the 2015 date announcement. It seems to be based on a recent change in Microsoft's product lifecycle documentation. Here's the story in the Register, published earlier than the BBC article: https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/14/microsoft_windows_10_...

The OP's point is that the October 14, 2025 end of support date was announced in 2015.

It's not clear from any of these articles what has changed because the date hasn't.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dehrmann »

Karellen wrote: post #65
knolan wrote: post #15

Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.

What do you mean by "a completely new OS"? Do you think the kernel needs to be re-written from scratch? Yeah, the current one has issues, but that seems like an unnecessarily large undertaking, and one that is also not likely to produce bug-free code. I'd have thought some kind of testing/fuzzing/formal analysis would be a better approach. Do you think the Win32/WPF/whatever APIs need to be thrown out and some other…

And what about drivers? It isn't like Apple where there are a handful of supported devices from the last three years the new OS would need to support. Drivers would either be buggy through whatever compatibility mode they create, or they'll drop support for a lot of hardware.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by FranchuFranchu »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #198
DethNinja wrote: post #37

Windows architecture is a mess, I wish more software companies would support Linux as cross platform compatibility gets easier each day but that doesn’t seem to be case. Unfortunately it is really hard for game development companies to develop on Linux as most of the software used by artists require Windows to function. Hopefully one day my company will be able ditch Windows completely but it might take another decad…

I can't take anyone seriously who says "Windows architecture is a mess" in the same breath as they promote Linux Desktop, an architecture with no consistent userspace by design .

Freedesktop and POSIX are quite consistent.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ljm »

partiallypro wrote: post #106
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

I think just calling it "Windows" is a fail. Even OSes that are updated constantly still have release numbers (iOS, Android, MacOS.) It helps customers understand the milestones behind the OS development and assists with marketing.

Maybe they'll take a leaf from Apple's book and start naming each release after locations in Seattle, or Washington.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by FranchuFranchu »

rchaud wrote: post #165

I have a Win 7 laptop from 2011 that honestly runs faster than a modern desktop with twice the RAM running Win 10. Had Win 10 since 2015 and it seems to be getting slower with each update. Which flavour of Linux is closest to 'just works'? Mint?

Mint is the one in which you can find things in similar places that you can find them in Windows. It's decent and usually works out of the box on mainstream hardware.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dehrmann »

mirker wrote: post #111
ajdoingnothing wrote: post #56

I'm staying away from Windows as much as I can. The Windows 10 home edition is so bloated with nonsense applications (of which some can't be removed directly). Also, it is odd that there are still some icons and popups that have this old Vista (and sometimes even 98) style. So incredibly messy. The entire thing feels like an American commercial during the super bowl. Bleh. I truly believe that my hardware running a L…

A family member had a slow windows install. I checked the system utilization, suspecting paging. Guess what: 3/4 GB of the laptop were used by windows, leaving 1GB for all other applications. Apparently, deprecation via automatic updates is in, and it comes with candy crush. I installed Ubuntu 10 minutes later.

4 GB, especially if you don't have an SSD, isn't really enough for Windows 10.

> I installed Ubuntu

I did this once and regretted it. Except for OS itself, nothing quite worked reliably, and you're basically the only person who can help them if it has problems.

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