If I had a quid for every time during my 20+years of IT experience I've heard that code-generation, low-code, no-code was about to breakthrough, I'd have a private jet on 24-hour standby. This bit made to laugh: "“For instance, machine learning features for helping coding are available. One example is Microsoft’s Intellicode,” Kandaswamy told VentureBeat. “While such tools are in their infancy," Intellicode has been…
80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
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Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
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This. I've just built out an internal CRM for my travel company using Airtable+StackerHQ.com and for my business, it's hands down better than anything commercially available... because it covers all the nuance of our individual situation. 2 months ago, I was a bit down on no-code, but the experience on building on Stacker was good enough to change my mind. Softr.io is also getting there, too.
> because it covers all the nuance of our individual situation. Without wanting to downplay your achievement, I've worked for organisations that did the same thing with MS Access back in the early oughts. The 'custom' application grew with the organisation. Features were bolted on over the years inelegantly. It was impossible to integrate easily with other systems. The quirks of the system were known by long time emp…
Something that under-delivers is much more useful that something that doesn't exist. In most situations and most companies the the choice is never between the ugly Access thing and top quality software written by team of highly educated professional programmers. It's a choice the between the ugly Access thing and an ad-hoc collection of text files and post it notes.
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#183Salesforce's initial marketing slogan was "no code". What year it was, 2010?
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#184Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#1852016: - Some day, we won't even need coders any more. We'll be able to just write the specification and the program will write itself. - Oh wow, you're right! We'll be able to write a comprehensive and precise spec and bam, we won't need programmers any more. - Exactly - And do you know the industry term for a project specification that is comprehensive and precise enough to generate a program? - Uh... no... - Code,…
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#186BTW: Most of the code is written outside "IT"
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#187Good low-code tools would be great. But you are still going to need software developers to operate them. The biggest job of software development is not just coding stuff, it is identifying the problem to solve and engineering a solution. Define a data model, think about which data is needed where, what can be done and so on. And then: properly test it! Develop tests, that confirm your stuff is actually working and sa…
And this is where you are terribly wrong, i have seen excel-sheets with the complexity of an operating-system and they are in use for 10+ years, and yes they have well-known bug but you can work around that...really like a real OS, made by accountants etc.
Well one could argue that accountants are technical (number-wise)
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#188This idea gets recycled every generation. I can’t count how many “low code” no-programming-skills-required tools I’ve seen come and go in the last four decades. Both COBOL and SQL got presented in these terms. I’ve yet to see a “non-technical manager” write a non-trivial SQL query, much less know how to confirm they got the correct results. The various 4GL tools that proliferated in the 90s led to complex amateur spa…
In theory it is of course quite possible to introduce special-cased abstractions, conventions or frameworks that really make it easier to both write and survey software for any given problem domain. As a matter of fact though, beyond existing lightweight software modularization efforts (such as reusable software libraries), such frameworks have tended to hurt rather than help.
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Generally I share your skepticism, but a lot of BI tools are low-/no-code. Generally you can't build a SaaS platform on them any more than you can build it on Excel.
I deal with Microsoft’s PowerBI and it is true that somewhat normal people can do a lot but the generated result ends up extremely inefficient and we usually end up getting sql experts in to manually write the queries anyway because it costs an obscene amount for the resources to run these auto generated reports.
Don't bother with "no code" but make it a lot easier for people to write the code/markup and also much easier to edit en masse (one sed command in a Github repo, rather than editing every single dashboard separately in Tableau/PowerBI).
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is an assumption that code syntax is the difficult part about building applications.
For many people this is true.