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Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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And yet, they still persist on presenting leetcode riddles that have very little relevance to the job being interviewed for. If they were hurting that much for devs, you'd think they might lower the bar a little by not requiring a years study of leetcode.

The riddle-like questions are trash, I agree. Any question that requires you to already know a slightly more arcane data structure or algorithm, or involves just regurgitating some algorithmic trick, or similar, really just gives you signal of "did this person already know the question beforehand?", and nothing else. Not asking those types of questions, and instead asking a more straightforward programming question w…

All those items are so spot on.

There's definitely a difference between hiring Sr. vs. Jr. programmers. When it comes to Sr, the best place I ever worked had a pretty great process:

1. Phone interview that was 100% identical for all candidates. It was basically a "take me through your work history, answering these 5 questions for each job." It worked wonderfully and gave a really good indication of what the person learned at each position and how they were able to apply that knowledge at the next job. And, if there was some obvious red flag at each step (e.g. "all my bosses have been jerks"). It also had the benefit of being more fair. I don't know how many places I've worked where if person A conducted the phone interview it was a shoe-in, and if person B did it was impossible to get through.

2. While doing #1, make a mental note of a couple things along they way they worked on (esp. if they seemed proud of them) and then - in a follow-up interview with a couple programmers on the call - really dig in deep on the technical details. Ask questions. You'll learn rapidly if they actually did the work and understand the problem or simply worked on it w/o understanding. What were the major challenges? What would they change now if they could go back? And here it's awesome if you get someone who can give answers that aren't always technical things (e.g. "I wish I knew early on how best to deal with X").

3. At this point, you're ready for an on-site and have already proven to yourself and the team "this person can code and solve problems." What's left is any final details you want to be sure of. Any odd personality quirks that won't work for the culture the company is going for? Let non-technical people they'd have to interface with interview them.

The best we ever came up w/ for Jr people was a test with some basic college class stuff like big-O and for problems 1-3 would you prefer linked list, hash table, or tree and why? And then try and do #1 and #2 above, but using their college classes/team projects as work experience. But that didn't always work out all that well.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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post #581

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> If I am running the company, I would MUCH rather operate short-handed than "fix" my recruiting problems by lowering the bar. Nobody is talking about lowering the bar, but of putting the bar in the right zipcode. An extremely high bar of leetcode testing is irrelevant to the actual job, so that's an irrelevant bar.

And yet, those companies seem to be more successful than others with "more relevant" bars.

Google actually admitted their 'elite' leet code interview process didn't actually help the outcomes... This is the first link I dug up about it:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/06/google-...

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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I think the FIRE movement is going to see a huge surge. Financial Independence Retire Early

I find the FIRE movement fascinating but also slightly depressing. Among the actually old (my parents' generation - in their 60s and 70s) retirees I know, around half of those retiring from decent 'knowledge worker' jobs have kept on working part-time to some extent. They are consultants, advisers, board members, independent researchers, and so on. They seem to be very happy - they are working at something they are g…

I think for people who got two very senior levels but stayed as hands-on engineers don’t really have the option of consulting. I am extremely senior and while I could do contract dev, they are actually aren’t that many low-commitment consulting jobs for people like me.

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post #537

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And yet, they still persist on presenting leetcode riddles that have very little relevance to the job being interviewed for. If they were hurting that much for devs, you'd think they might lower the bar a little by not requiring a years study of leetcode.

It's more expensive to make a bad hire than to not hire someone and move a bit slower.

google admitted years ago, it didn't help..

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/06/google-...

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in 2017, I left my job of 27 years. Back then, the market was flooded with young folks out of bootcamps. So much so, in fact, that several companies had absolutely no problem treating me in quite shabby fashion, as I have committed the crime of Eld, along with a rather disturbing level of Provable Competence. These seem to be characteristics that immediately mark people for ridicule, humiliation, and indignity. Fortu…

I love this comment. Thank you for sharing this experience. I also underestimated the impact of having my work burned in front of me after 2 years of overtime and sacrifice. The money afforded me some level of financial Independence which at least gives me the optionality to choose whether I want to suffer this again. I'm thinking of following in your footsteps. Wish me luck!

Definitely. Godspeed.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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post #350

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Citation?

How about the entirety of the US medicaid program? If you literally have no income you get free healthcare, even if you have limited income you may qualify for Medicaid or a heavily discounted marketplace plan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

Based on that article, the programs vary widely by state including eligibility standards and rates of reimbursement.

> As of 2013, Medicaid is a program intended for those with low income, but a low income is not the only requirement to enroll in the program. Eligibility is categorical—that is, to enroll one must be a member of a category defined by statute; some of these categories are: low-income children below a certain wage, pregnant women, parents of Medicaid-eligible children who meet certain income requirements, low-income disabled people who receive Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and/or Social Security Disability (SSD), and low-income seniors 65 and older.

This makes it seem like it's not just "low income", but also membership in one of those other categories.

I also didn't see anything on the page that indicated what share of expenses were covered by medicaid, but perhaps I missed it.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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Money gotta money. At least crypto is a slightly-less-obnoxious industry than ads and tracking...

> slightly-less-obnoxious industry than ads I almost never see people obnoxiously talking about how ads are great. In fact, it's the opposite - constant ad bashing. Whereas with crypto, while you have the skeptics and the haters, there are way more obnoxious fanatics.

I meant that ads are obnoxious to everybody.

Whereas with crypto, you can just ignore the subject entirely if you so wish. You won't be shouted at, when you open your digital newspaper to read stuff, that YOU SHOULD TOTALLY GET MORE DOGECOIN!!!

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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I feel like I keep seeing articles on this topic, but nobody is addressing the (obvious) elephant in the room: If there is a great resignation, and people are quitting jobs they are not happy with - how are they going to pay their bills and way through life? Am I missing something? It seems these articles all talk about workers realizing they are underpaid, overworked, and after a year don't want to go back to the sa…

> Am I missing something? If you're making tech salaries and not spending all of it, you can easily save enough to not work for a decade in just a few years of work. Anecdotally I worked for three years at a big company and then didn't work for three years until those savings ran out, and that wasn't really even trying. Of course the calculus changes if you're married or have kids. But living in America in a cheap to…

That I can totally understand. However, if we're looking at the labor market as a whole, people making comfortable tech salaries are definitely outliers. Coupled with the fact that (anecdotally) it seems many of the people who don't want to return to their old jobs (or want to resign) are either in the service industry, or have/had lower paid entry level job salaries, I'm still stuck trying to understand how these folks will survive financially.

I guess I'm trying to figure out if all these "great resignation" articles are referring to high paid skilled jobs (eg tech workers), which in my opinion wouldn't effect the economy as a whole very much since they are a relatively small portion of it, or if these articles are referring to the broad economy including lower paid jobs.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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>I kept hearing its not unusual for people in the west to take gap years, so thats what Im doing. You hear a heck of a lot more about it on HN than happens in reality. Maybe I don't hang out with the trust fund crowd enough but I don't know ANYONE who's taken a "gap year" where they weren't doing something for ~40hr/wk in order to make a buck. I know a few people who didn't jump right into career stuff after college…

I learnt of this sort of thing only after I moved to the UK, where it's traditional for wealthy and middle-upper-class kids to take a long break between college and university - a habit that probably comes from the times of the "grand tours" of continental Europe in XVIII and XIX century. I've met people who do it on a 6-months basis - 6 months travelling, 6 months earning. They don't make much, their career is somew…

I wonder if maternity/paternity leave laws in UK have any affect on making this more feasible?

My understanding is that workers get a year of maternity leave, a few weeks of paternity leave, and there is some sort of sharing arrangement whereby maternity leave can be used to extend paternity leave.

When maternity/paternity leave ends, the worker must be given their job back.

I'd expect that at many employers they can't just have the work that someone on leave would have done go undone so they are going to have to bring on someone else to do it--someone who knows that they will only be needed until the person they are filling in for comes back from leave.

Thus, I'd expect there to be a need across nearly all industries and at nearly all skill levels for people who want to fill a 6 month to a year opening.

Compare to the US (Federal 12 weeks maternity leave if your company has 50 people, no legally required maternity leave otherwise--individual states sometimes add more), where openings for people to work a temporary job for a few months tend to either be low end jobs or very specialized consulting jobs. The former don't pay enough to afford a 6 on/6 off lifestyle, and the latter are out of reach of most people. There aren't many good middle-class jobs to support 6 on/6 off.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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post #342

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You are not getting health insurance in most European countries unless you are working or registered as unemployed and remain at disposal of the local job centre. And the whole meme that a 65% tax rate +25% vat on most products on top of it (I am in Sweden) is somehow worth it financially because "fReE HeAlThCaRe" is laughable.

Indeed. In Canada if you’re out of the country longer than 6 months you’re not longer insured (in Canada). And in fact, insurance doesn’t cover you outside the country anyways.

Anything that starts "In Canada, ..." is generally suspect. Canada is a confederation. Most things are in the purview of the provinces, so there's rarely a globally applicable rule. Canada does not have a single healthcare system, but thirteen separate provincial and territorial healthcare plans.

You're not guaranteed to be covered for 6 months. If you leave permanently and settle within Canada, BC will cover you for the remainder of the month plus two months (enough time to establish residency in the destination and get coverage). If you leave the country, you are covered for the remainder of the month.

If it's a temporary leave, however, several of the provinces do cover you outside of the province, and many will extend your coverage for quite a long time depending on the circumstances. BC allows you to retain coverage for a 2 year trip during every 5 year period. They also (like many provinces) will extend your coverage as long as you're in school full time in another location.

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