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Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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A quick search on pubmed shows that limited trials on Ivermectin have been done, and more trials are underway. It certainly seems to work in vitro, but needs higher concentrations than have been tested to be safe in vivo so far. So... it sort of depends on what the people were saying in their videos. If they're saying it's a possible hopeful contender for near future: that's true. If they're saying "buy lots of iverm…

The top podcast on Virology has talked about Ivermectin many times, including the most recent episode.

They agree that it looks interesting and we should reserve judgement until a clinical trial is completed.

If that sort of talk is being removed - then it's a massive over-reach.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Dailymotion, Vimeo, Vidlii Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

Many of those are filled with even more fringe stuff like conspiracy theories, precisely because they wouldn't be allowed on YouTube. That makes it convenient for normalising public opinion, as anything on these alternative sites would be associated with even worse misinformation.

Unfortunately, the first thing to go to alternative sites is fringe content.

As they gain traction, they become more "normal".

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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I think people expect the competition to be too perfect of a substitute when it comes to the internet. You are picking the most competitive market - burger joints - in an industry that everyone is forced to partake in: food. On a calorie basis, McDonald's and Burger King actually have some of the most cost effective foods. To me, it is like asking "who is the competitor to Costco? A membership bulk-only retailer, onl…

All you are doing there is broadening the content definition to encompass more players. The fact that YouTube is a many billion dollar business, and has no DIRECT competition should make it a target for anti-trust action.

I guess we should also be concerned with Tesla’s monopoly on supercharger networks. Just because there is no perfect substitution it does not mean there is no direct competition.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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> What else should scientists do than challenging the status quo? Sure, and I rather suspect there are all sorts of venues that scientists could use to communicate scientific reasons challenging the status quo, ones in which there'd be a process of discourse with other domain experts capable of independently evaluating claims. YouTube is significant mass media. But the idea that it's a crucial early stage link in the…

What you are implicitly proposing is that whenever there is disagreement within the scientific community, that disagreement should be kept behind closed doors and hidden from the public until some Institution (CDC/WHO/etc) decides on a Consensus of Truth, and that this Consensus of Truth is the only narrative that can be communicated to the public. This raises a lot of questions. For instance, what happens when the C…

Yeah, considering the boom of consipiracy theories / flat earther, it's indeed probably better that way.

Sorry but put it more clearly we definetely should treat non expert as children, for their own good.

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It's actually not a new wonder drug. It's an old generic drug that doctors have been experimenting with for COVID treatment for quite some time now, which has passed all safety trials a long time ago, and which is cheap and widely available. You aren't aware of these things because Ivermectin has been the target of a massive campaign of information suppression, exactly of the type that is being reported on here. In c…

I am aware of Ivermectin. It is hard not to be, given how often people talk about it being censured. The site you link seems to be asking for a EUA for giving it to the entire population, despite being less effective and higher side effects than vaccines. That does not meet the criteria for a hypothetical wonder drug. Looking somewhat briefly, I will note that site you link even states that the current vaccines are p…

Less reliable according to the people who are refusing the approval, but not according to the people arguing for it.

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What you are implicitly proposing is that whenever there is disagreement within the scientific community, that disagreement should be kept behind closed doors and hidden from the public until some Institution (CDC/WHO/etc) decides on a Consensus of Truth, and that this Consensus of Truth is the only narrative that can be communicated to the public. This raises a lot of questions. For instance, what happens when the C…

Yeah, considering the boom of consipiracy theories / flat earther, it's indeed probably better that way. Sorry but put it more clearly we definetely should treat non expert as children, for their own good.

To clarify, what you want is a benevolent intellectual dictator?

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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I am aware of Ivermectin. It is hard not to be, given how often people talk about it being censured. The site you link seems to be asking for a EUA for giving it to the entire population, despite being less effective and higher side effects than vaccines. That does not meet the criteria for a hypothetical wonder drug. Looking somewhat briefly, I will note that site you link even states that the current vaccines are p…

Less reliable according to the people who are refusing the approval, but not according to the people arguing for it.

I’m quoting your link, by the people who argue for ivermectin: “We understand why policymakers are focused on vaccines. Vaccines will offer better, or longer-lasting, protection than any drug.”

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We decide whether those grounds exist or not.

I don't know what point you're arguing here. Presently these grounds very obviously don't exist, and are also very unlikely to exist in the future.

>Presently these grounds very obviously don't exist

Which is irrelevant when discussing how we'd like to update the laws.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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And yes we had experimentation on all sorts of minorities, general exploitation, and in some cases into infliction of harm. What good old days those were.

You're not protecting anyone from the next Tuskegee Experiment by witholding potentially lifesaving medications from them. You're _repeating it_. According to Worldofmeters: At the moment the United States has 1848 deaths per million people. Thailand has 21. Cambodia has 20. Taiwan 18. Vietnam 0.6. Laos 0.4.

You’re stopping the Mendel’s and the Tuskegees.

Tuskegee wasn’t an experiment in “we don’t know if this drug works” it was explicitly intended to study the progression of syphilis - they weren’t withholding drugs because they didn’t know if they worked, they were withholding them because black people weren’t human to them.

ERBs and the FDA both exist to protect people from becoming victims.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Yeah, considering the boom of consipiracy theories / flat earther, it's indeed probably better that way. Sorry but put it more clearly we definetely should treat non expert as children, for their own good.

To clarify, what you want is a benevolent intellectual dictator?

It has always been that way
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