The success of the “open office” on full display.
Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
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Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm struggling with the idea of hybrid WFH. It still means that I need to live near the office. Instead of a cheaper, quieter place far away from cities. Besides making middle-management happy, I'm not sure what is the benefit of having one required day per week at the office.
Social bonds, Office chat, meetings around a table, etc. There are so many things you can't get over a zoom call that not having a hybrid model is what I won't understand. You can have the best of both worlds and if that means that there are some limits on where you can live? I saw someone say that a lot of what makes WFH successful currently are the bonds that we had built while working together... and that as time…
On not wanting the hybrid model, while where you live is an aspect, how you organize is another.
For instance it’s a big difference if you can send and take your kids from school yourself 5 days a week or if for one or two days you need to find someone to contract just for that.
Same for having one or two cars, needing a laptop or not, etc. There are a lot of big and small effects on having to commute one/two days or 0.
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#283Can’t imagine not having at least partial WFH after this pandemic. If my office doesn’t let me WFH, I will also be leaving. A good portion of my team is similarly minded, but management is insistent on disallowing WFH. I can’t wait to see their faces when the company bleeds massive swaths of engineering talent. It’s about damn time that companies realized that they ought to treat their employees like the adults that…
>Absolutely sick of this infantilizing, childish requirement to force employees to come into the office.
It's not infantilizing or childish.
There's pros & cons.
Find a company that aligns with what you seek.
To each company their own.
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#284By “quitting” they mostly mean getting new jobs or career changes. Not necessarily refusing to work in an office. The headline is misleading. It’s also still a relatively small number in absolute terms: > In April, the share of U.S. workers leaving jobs was 2.7%, according to the Labor Department, a jump from 1.6% a year earlier to the highest level since at least 2000. The higher turnover is expected in a booming ec…
Seems most commenters on HN for this thread didn’t read the article. We’re at a daily occurrence now of these “I can never go back to the office” threads. I thought HN was supposed to be an area of intellectual stimulation - not droning on about the same thing for months with no end.
> I thought HN was supposed to be an area of intellectual stimulation - not droning on about the same thing for months with no end.
My friend received a flagban seven years ago or so on his “Show HN: Hide this repetitive subject on HN” tool.
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I love how that's an obvious option for everyone else too! /s
I have a hard rule on myself - if the commute is more than about 20-30 minutes or particularly unpleasant, I must change jobs or move house. Life is too short to spend such a huge part of it in a commute you don't enjoy.
For those starting out in SV now, that’s usually a choice of giving up a great job or paying super expensive rent/putting all your savings in a house or packing in with roommates.
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#286IMO these people are shooting themselves in the foot long term. If companies learn to WFH full time these people will eventually be replaced with cheaper labour from oversees.
Aren't there some restrictions regarding what can be outsourced to foreign countries?
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just how close are you trying to be with your co-workers? My parents don't live in the same state with me but we talk weekly on the phone and meet once in a while in person. If you need hourly contact with your co-workers I hope it's more about doing the job then socializing. If it is about doing the job and your job is software development then are alternatives to endless meetings.
On HN and Reddit people are engaged in the characteristic activity of friendship - discussing topics of mutual interest - yet it would be pretty sad if that’s all someone had for friends. Similarly, just because you do work with some people, does not make them your team. Now maybe programming can be organized in a way that doesn’t really require a team. People can get projects done by interacting in a more transactio…
On HN and Reddit people are engaged in the characteristic activity of friendship - discussing topics of mutual interest - yet it would be pretty sad if that’s all someone had for friends.
On web forums like HN people post regardless of who might be reading. That's an important difference.
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#288By “quitting” they mostly mean getting new jobs or career changes. Not necessarily refusing to work in an office. The headline is misleading. It’s also still a relatively small number in absolute terms: > In April, the share of U.S. workers leaving jobs was 2.7%, according to the Labor Department, a jump from 1.6% a year earlier to the highest level since at least 2000. The higher turnover is expected in a booming ec…
What people miss in these discussions about going full remote is that the market for software developers is very good right now but this won't last forever. Many companies are surely going to embrace full-remote once they have built up the right processes and infra. When that happens, it is not going to matter whether you live in California or Mexico or Brazil. It is much easier to replace an employee who is working…
the market for software developers is very good right now but this won't last forever
It will last as long as the software industry keeps growing, or until AI can do the job of a dev. I don't see either happening for a long time.
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 'hybrid model' is just a marketing trick to try and force people back to offices using the Fear of Missing Out routine. It's classic foot in the door sales psychology. Go find a firm that has genuinely embraced full remote and understands that remote can only work properly if everybody is operating in the same mode - precisely to avoid the natural tendency of people to ignore others that aren't in the physical ro…
> to the moment you stop thinking about it In that case, i work 168 hours a week and i’m the most productive when walking my dog.
This is the truth. Measuring work in hours only makes sense for work that you can only do when 100% applying yourself to the task (like brick laying or stacking shelves). Most of my high value output happens when I'm in the shower, riding my bike or going for a walk.
Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a hard rule on myself - if the commute is more than about 20-30 minutes or particularly unpleasant, I must change jobs or move house. Life is too short to spend such a huge part of it in a commute you don't enjoy.
For those starting out in SV now, that’s usually a choice of giving up a great job or paying super expensive rent/putting all your savings in a house or packing in with roommates.
Yes, exactly.