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Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by disrael »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #61
Raed667 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm struggling with the idea of hybrid WFH. It still means that I need to live near the office. Instead of a cheaper, quieter place far away from cities. Besides making middle-management happy, I'm not sure what is the benefit of having one required day per week at the office.

A lot of meetings are much easier to have in person. Socializing, as other people pointed out, is also much easier in person.

Just how close are you trying to be with your co-workers? My parents don't live in the same state with me but we talk weekly on the phone and meet once in a while in person.

If you need hourly contact with your co-workers I hope it's more about doing the job then socializing. If it is about doing the job and your job is software development then are alternatives to endless meetings.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by [deleted] »

3853126461 wrote: post #132

You are a lazy piece of shit!!! I hope you all quit so you don’t get unemployment. I have never herd of such stupid words come out of a persons mouth. Lose your cars and home then live in the streets I will laugh my ass off. Oh but you would want welfare because you are entitled, the only thing you are entitled to is get off your ass and go back to work like the people who have been on the front line this entire pand…

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Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

ushkarev wrote: post #143

Personally speaking, I cannot wait to have the opportunity to be back to the office 100% of the time. I just cannot cope with the lack of proper division between my home life and work life. Some of my colleagues agree, but I obviously recognise the fact that most do not. Even before the pandemic our organisation had hybrid working conditions and I’m pretty sure that’s what they’re aiming for again in the near future;…

“ lack of proper division between my home life and work life.”

This tells me you’re doing WFH wrong or don’t have enough discipline for it. That’s okay, wfh is not for everyone, but don’t blame this on anyone but yourself.

There are tons of ways to have that proper separation, including but not limited to, replacing the transitional commute with a walk to switch contexts. You can find a lot of tips and techniques on the web.

When I’m done with work for the day, I’m done, and it doesn’t intrude in my home life, even though my “office” is literally in the next room.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by shagie »

Raed667 wrote: post #14
strgrd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hybrid model is such a joke. For most, working in the office might as well be the 21st century business suit: an antiquated formality designed to demonstrate your obedience to authority. The hybrid model is a suit on a t-shirt. And forcing employees to be in the office X days a week means productivity on those WFH days will be nonexistent, especially if they butt against a weekend. But of course while the WFH lif…

I'm struggling with the idea of hybrid WFH. It still means that I need to live near the office. Instead of a cheaper, quieter place far away from cities. Besides making middle-management happy, I'm not sure what is the benefit of having one required day per week at the office.

With the "everyone remote" of 2020, one of the things that spooked a lot of companies is the employees adding to additional complications by living in states (or sometimes countries) that have different labor laws, taxes, and such without telling the company.

This resulted in things where they suddenly found out that they need to pay taxes in four states (and Canada - unless they get that employee to leave within 3 weeks... and firing them is an option).

The three day hybrid may also be something to discourage one employee trying to hold down two remote jobs (on Reddit, this is a not uncommon question and sometimes a really suspicious coworker who suddenly can't VPN or connect to slack for a day or two each week).

The hybrid model keeps a number of problems that the company would otherwise have to think about and enforce non-issues.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by the_gipsy »

dsyrk wrote: post #121
WalterBright wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That only works until someone writes a "boss" app that pretends to click keys and move the mouse. Back in the 80's, many computer games had a "boss" key which would pause the game and throw up a screen that looked like a spreadsheet.

I agree it will be spoofed if employees know what is being measured. It’s the main reason we don’t disclose it. I can already see the people who will spoof it because many of the employees make sure to connect each day, but then often just leave it and never type anything almost the whole day. I’ve also thought about adding additional telemetry data like, unique commands run, num files accessed, web access stats, etc…

Has it ever occurred to you, to measure the actual work?

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by contravariant »

prirun wrote: post #134
pavel_lishin wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of meetings are much easier to have in person. Socializing, as other people pointed out, is also much easier in person.

A lot of meetings are also a complete waste of many people's time.

Though if there's anything the past few months have demonstrated, online meetings have that same problem.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by ryder9 »

bootlooped wrote: post #129
luffapi wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the counter is to use your new found freedom wfh to get real non-commercial social interaction. With friends, family, neighbors… You’re at the mercy of your employer in more ways than one if you rely on them for such a core human need.

Firstly, the context of what I wrote was building trust and team cohesion within the organization. I don't think having or not having friends and family is relevant to that. Secondly, we spend a lot of our finite lives working, do you want that part of your life to be cold and robotic? Wouldn't life be richer with a wide range of human relationships?

> we spend a lot of our finite lives working

if you want to dedicate most of your life just to work, you can go ahead and do that

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by okareaman »

Social and Economic Effects of the [Bubonic] Plague

Since it was so difficult (and dangerous) to procure goods through trade and to produce them, the prices of both goods produced locally and those imported from afar skyrocketed. Because of illness and death workers became exceedingly scarce, so even peasants felt the effects of the new rise in wages. The demand for people to work the land was so high that it threatened the manorial holdings. Serfs were no longer tied to one master; if one left the land, another lord would instantly hire them.

https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/plagu...

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by ryder9 »

dsyrk wrote: post #126
leesalminen wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That this manager chooses to “humiliate” certain employees is also indicative of the root cause of the issue.

They get pretty embarrassed when I complete their assignment in 2 hours after our meeting an assignment which should have taken them maybe one day but they have supposedly been working on for the last 8. It’s a very effective technique and so far has been applied to more junior employees with great success.

sure that happened lol, you're great at making things up aren't ya

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Post by seoaeu »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #153
ushkarev wrote: post #143

Personally speaking, I cannot wait to have the opportunity to be back to the office 100% of the time. I just cannot cope with the lack of proper division between my home life and work life. Some of my colleagues agree, but I obviously recognise the fact that most do not. Even before the pandemic our organisation had hybrid working conditions and I’m pretty sure that’s what they’re aiming for again in the near future;…

“ lack of proper division between my home life and work life.” This tells me you’re doing WFH wrong or don’t have enough discipline for it. That’s okay, wfh is not for everyone, but don’t blame this on anyone but yourself. There are tons of ways to have that proper separation, including but not limited to, replacing the transitional commute with a walk to switch contexts. You can find a lot of tips and techniques on…

I'm sorry, but seriously how out of touch do you have to be that 14+ months into the pandemic you still think that people can't have poor WFH experiences for reasons out of their control?
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