Any groups/clubs that engage in slow html?
I like hand written html pages / don't like css.
I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
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Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
#372Ah, back when you could safely ignore a racist tirade because it came from xXBone_Lord420Xx instead of John Smith from Accounting.
Ignorance is bliss, they say - it was still John, but you just didn't know it.
Also, back then when it was allowed to have more imaginative names we were also able to have actually meaningful arguments online. Now you have to be in the line of "non-entity_#83591" without any opinions on anything to not offend anyone, and mostly voicing a different opinion results in a veritable s*tstorm that has no relevance to the topic that was discussed. SJWs and white-knighting simps... /sigh.
Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
#373I’m 14, and internet wise, I wish it was the 90s. I coded my website, blog occasionally, and get noticed once in a great while. I chat on open platforms, and like decentralization and freedom from corporations.
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#374I think it's easy to forget we're not the same people we were 20-25 years ago. I see all sorts of lamentations about various things in the world changing and becoming less magical. But as far as I'm aware, I could still go and argue about bands in chatrooms. I could talk to other writers and dream about my future best-selling novels. I could go read random opinions about any subject and get into an exhilarating flame…
To paraphrase what an old boss said “they just happened to make the best music when I was the most emotionally vulnerable”.
Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me the main change that internet got is this: the old internet was like a parallel universe, you picked up a random username, and no matter who you were in real life, you could socialize and share interest with other people without any prejudice. This is especially important for introverts like me, that if they have to put their real name on something, for example a comment on Facebook, they think about it 100 tim…
Old internet had a bit RTFM and show your work to solve this before asking questions culture too. And were pretty curmudgeony back in the 90s on irc. Tbh its reasonable to ask people to bother to search for a minute before askinf questions, and if you tell people i tried searching with this before asking, they’re a lot more friendly. That sense of community is there with discord, you gotta use that.
It was different. If you go for example on a Facebook group to ask a legitimate noob question they will not answer you, or make fun of you. In the old days in the forums people were more friendly, and for example explained to others even stuff that is considered simple enough, or pointed up good material to read. The only exception is of course if someone asked a question already answered in another topic, and thus the moderators would have gently invited to continue discussing on the already existing thread and closed the discussion.
> That sense of community is there with discord, you gotta use that.
Not in that sense. Discord is mainly a platform where you do voice chats. It has four disadvantages:
* not everyone wants to talk, for whatever reason, being introvert, not knowing the language so well to have a conversation, not having a microphone on the computer, and a ton of other reason
* a forum is public on the internet, someone that is not subscribed to the forum that has a similar problem could read it and find the solution, everyone could register and ask something. Discord servers are not.
* forums are textual content, that is preserved in the years. Sometime I have a problem with some old hardware or software and I find my answer in a response in a forum from 15 years ago. It's something that is indexed by search engines, of course even if forums were public, you cannot index voice chats.
* the forum had an asynchronous nature, as most of the old web had (take the email, for example). It means that I can start a discussion, and then go back to it when I have time. In the old days I used to check my forums at most once or twice a day, on the evening, check the thread I was following, maybe respond or simply read. Discord is synchronous, either you participate now or you don't.
Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
#376Its still there, its just buried under all the other crap. As more and more people generate content, more and more bullshit exists. Unfortunately, Google etc. - despite all their big announcements - can obviously not keep up filtering out that bullshit. We drown in bullshit. Where's the semantic web that was promised? I wonder if we're still paying for the mistakes that were made with the whole XML stuff ...?
I have been playing with the idea of making good old internet portal. A curated list of links to the good stuff. No FB, medium, Instagram or anything like that.
There's https://curlie.org , it even links to some old-style websites in its collection. I think there are some other sites with similar ideas too, where you can create groups and share bookmarks ( like https://groups.diigo.com )
Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
Old internet had a bit RTFM and show your work to solve this before asking questions culture too. And were pretty curmudgeony back in the 90s on irc. Tbh its reasonable to ask people to bother to search for a minute before askinf questions, and if you tell people i tried searching with this before asking, they’re a lot more friendly. That sense of community is there with discord, you gotta use that.
It was different. If you go for example on a Facebook group to ask a legitimate noob question they will not answer you, or make fun of you. In the old days in the forums people were more friendly, and for example explained to others even stuff that is considered simple enough, or pointed up good material to read. The only exception is of course if someone asked a question already answered in another topic, and thus t…
I think that is a specific community culture thing then? FB groups & chats I've used have been really friendly and helpful!
Also when people say "use a discord", they are really referring to a text chat discord. It's the new IRC, with all of its good and bad parts. Almost nobody is using audio chat.
Discord's audio chat is mostly used in small groups of 3+ for parties in multiplayer games where quick audio communication helps a lot. It's the new teamspeak / ventrilio.
Here is a couple examples of community discords:
https://discord.com/invite/buildapc
https://discord.com/invite/obsproject
There has been a general response to withdraw into more private & semi-private communities although, as a response against the internet outrage mob that could ruin a person's life. That is a big shame.
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
You used to be able to find high quality information, by people who loved the topic. Now the top search results are SEO commercial sites; the old sites are gone or filled with ads; and the new sites... there aren't any new sites like this. Maybe stackexchanges are the closest (recently sold).
People still make good websites. You just can't find them with Google (unless you're writing keywords to search for the exact site).
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#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I'm concerned it has nothing to do with joy. The internet enables a lot of things that can improve human knowledge and prowess. It also enables the opposite. This has always been the case, but I think the hindrances are progressing faster than the helpers. Here are a couple of the best things that I think the internet provides, both of which have been around basically since its inception: 1. Instant communi…
That free sharing of knowledge more or less destroyed the music industry, and commoditized many other things too. It’s extremely hard to make a living wage at many things now. We have a fake gig economy to replace middle class jobs
Why do you say the music industry is destroyed? With streaming, music industry revenues are almost back to their late '90s peak, and the diversity of options today is incredible.
Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you don't have the ability to vote, you can't influence the content in a positive way either. Some comments are pointless, like some tool making the "and my axe" joke for the millionth time. Reddit lost its way when they started heavily moderating or banning entire subs that didn't fit with their woke US-centric world view, while rape porn was "fine". I closed my account a while back and stopped visiting the site,…
The solution is simple: Use downvotes for rude and disrespectful comments. I am all for moderating a forum for pointless and useless comments. Most downvotes now-a-days are about disagreements. Using downvotes as a tool to push others into conformity is the shittiest part of HN.
I actually have a sort of nice idea about this: make your downvotes' worth be inversely proportional to how many downvotes you give.
A person who gives 100 downvotes per month will have his downvotes count 1/20th as those of a person who downvotes 5 times per month. An incenctive to be really judicious in handing out downvotes and not simply using them to drown out minority opinions.