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Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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What in the world are you talking about? You honestly believe I can be sued for monitoring employee activity on a private businesses computer systems? The level of entitlement expressed by some HN commenters is unbelievable. Snooping would be somehow spying on their private computer or information not their usage of their work system. We have every right to record everything and anything. I’ve actually considered exp…

There are parts of the world where that is illegal, yes.

Really where? Certainly not in the United States and I don’t see any reason it should be illegal. Your an employee not a citizen.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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You are a lazy piece of shit!!! I hope you all quit so you don’t get unemployment. I have never herd of such stupid words come out of a persons mouth. Lose your cars and home then live in the streets I will laugh my ass off. Oh but you would want welfare because you are entitled, the only thing you are entitled to is get off your ass and go back to work like the people who have been on the front line this entire pandemic. There are plenty of qualified people to do your jobs, people like you are why the world is having a shortage on about everything that is a commodity. Let’s talk about wasted time like every time your lazy fat ass gets hungry you stay logged on and go fix a snack which takes 20-30 minutes and then you have to shit for the third time in the am and don’t forget you tend to your kids for another 20-30 minutes because your husband who is supposed to be working from home is out mowing the lawn, because you want to get a early start to the weekend and you don’t want to use your personal time to mow and clean the house. You are a piece of work!!!! Then let’s talk about the amount of work accomplished, you can’t complete the task because it takes approval or some kind of input from someone else but your not going to the office until Monday ,oh did I mentioned it was Tuesday and the person who has to sigh off on your task won’t be in until Thursday and then again you won’t get it until the following Monday now two weeks ave gone by for something that you could have walked over to there cubicle and had them sign off in 15 minutes or less. You and everyone like you is why we are in the state we are in. I hope you do quit and take your lazy friends with you. The average person working from home is working less than 50% of the time and accomplishing even less so quit we will hire people who want a job and are willing to show up to work for it. Thank you to all those who have continued to put there self out there, so lazy pieces of shit could either wfh (lmfao) or collect unemployment good luck to you and your family I fill sorry for your pitiful children who will suffer because of your laziness and take a shower I can smell you from here. I know you will also do that while you are on the clock.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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I think the counter is to use your new found freedom wfh to get real non-commercial social interaction. With friends, family, neighbors… You’re at the mercy of your employer in more ways than one if you rely on them for such a core human need.

Firstly, the context of what I wrote was building trust and team cohesion within the organization. I don't think having or not having friends and family is relevant to that. Secondly, we spend a lot of our finite lives working, do you want that part of your life to be cold and robotic? Wouldn't life be richer with a wide range of human relationships?

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Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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I'm struggling with the idea of hybrid WFH. It still means that I need to live near the office. Instead of a cheaper, quieter place far away from cities. Besides making middle-management happy, I'm not sure what is the benefit of having one required day per week at the office.

A lot of meetings are much easier to have in person. Socializing, as other people pointed out, is also much easier in person.

A lot of meetings are also a complete waste of many people's time.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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There's always social drama because humans are social creatures and not machines. Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make it go away but merely means you're at it's whims with no influence on it. The difference is that if you're viewed as a friend other people first give you the benefit of the doubt since they assume you had good intentions. If you're not they don't and then things can escalate very quickly and not…

It sounds like you’ve worked under terrible management if you’re having these problems. On a properly run team people don’t squabble and politic. It is possible to work in a healthy manner, remote or otherwise. The drama you avoid when remote stems from not being forced to co-locate with individuals for a large swath of your waking hours. That is a breeding ground for unhealthy behavior.

I have yet to see a non-tiny company that doesn't have political squabbles cross-team and especially cross-department. It's the nature of many groups competing for finite resources and diverging goals. I have however seen many engineers be utterly obvious to the politics going on and getting burned by it in the end.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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I'm struggling with the idea of hybrid WFH. It still means that I need to live near the office. Instead of a cheaper, quieter place far away from cities. Besides making middle-management happy, I'm not sure what is the benefit of having one required day per week at the office.

I've found that it's much harder to form social bonds, especially cross-team, when working remotely and never seeing people in person. Socializing via Zoom is not the same. The lack of lunch and hallway conversation hurts a lot without even getting into the outside of work socializing. That in turn leads to minor issues exploding because no one has a sense of empathy built for anyone else.

Why not just do like a 3-4 day retreat to "bond" every 3-4 months?

Or even monthly have maybe a 2-3 day mini-retreat work a day or two on-site and do some after-work bonding for those who are staying in hotels, etc... I mean if it's just about bonding. I had pretty good bonding with an agency I worked with and we'd do once a year retreats and it was really nice to hang out with the team, then go back home and hang out in slack.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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I've found that it's much harder to form social bonds, especially cross-team, when working remotely and never seeing people in person. Socializing via Zoom is not the same. The lack of lunch and hallway conversation hurts a lot without even getting into the outside of work socializing. That in turn leads to minor issues exploding because no one has a sense of empathy built for anyone else.

Why not just do like a 3-4 day retreat to "bond" every 3-4 months? Or even monthly have maybe a 2-3 day mini-retreat work a day or two on-site and do some after-work bonding for those who are staying in hotels, etc... I mean if it's just about bonding. I had pretty good bonding with an agency I worked with and we'd do once a year retreats and it was really nice to hang out with the team, then go back home and hang ou…

Yes. And I's argue that some semi-structured time to exchange ideas, come up with ideas, "bond," etc. with everyone on some scale of team and even guests from other teams is probably better than bump into you conversations that often aren't going to happen with people on other floors, in other offices, and even on different continents.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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I've found that it's much harder to form social bonds, especially cross-team, when working remotely and never seeing people in person. Socializing via Zoom is not the same. The lack of lunch and hallway conversation hurts a lot without even getting into the outside of work socializing. That in turn leads to minor issues exploding because no one has a sense of empathy built for anyone else.

I’ve worked at the same company for nearly 20 years. I’ve had precisely 0 lunch and hallway conversations in all of those years. Lunch time is when I go work out. If I’m not working out, I’m sitting at my my desk working. Socializing is for non-work hours. However, I’ve learned a lot more about coworkers (some of whom I’ve worked with for more than 10 years) during the pandemic from talking at the beginning of zoom c…

You are not the modal employee.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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I'm struggling with the idea of hybrid WFH. It still means that I need to live near the office. Instead of a cheaper, quieter place far away from cities. Besides making middle-management happy, I'm not sure what is the benefit of having one required day per week at the office.

I’ve always held a belief that a lot of America’s social and economic inequalities are fueled by the consolidation of good, high paying jobs around a few major cities. I’d get behind any party that tries to tackle this by incentivizing the distribution of these jobs across America. If cheaper, quieter lifestyles result from this, all the better.

At the very least, crowding the most intelligent and ambitious people into the country’s lowest fertility metro (the Bay Area) certainly seems like not a good idea from an inter-generational perspective.
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