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Are there usage statistics that support or invalidate the theory that a majority of active users have migrated from Freenode to Libera?
The former has PRIVMSG (message) statistics which show that Libera Chat is considerably more active than freenode despite having less total users (for now, the crossover point is predicted to be the 26th and it's been moving closer and closer for days).
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I'm glad you find my work useful. :)
Apparently rasengan likes it too inpspiricd is a good project but we'll make it way better sadie is pretty good for a noob but obviously its time to take things serious
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According to rasengan, in his current incarnation as root, the irccloud thing wasn't accidental: what accidental irccloud blanket ban? I keep hearing about this? I think all of irccloud got k-lined briefly - shit happens It's intentional for sure. I think someone accidentally removed it. is there a public statement about that anywhere? (and then nobody ever responded as to why, so I'm afraid that's all I know wrt tha…
14:59 IRCCloud was not klined by mistake. 14:59 We don't allow IRCCloud on freenode. 14:59 We offer our own free BNC, if you'd like to use that instead.
Sounds like a very democratic, open source, do what you will solution to me.
While I agree that Libera is New Freenode and Old Freenode is rapidly dying a death, this whole episode has soured me mightily against Freenode as a whole. This should never have happened in the first place and the blame for it lies squarely at the OldFreenode/Libera admin's feet, not whichever outside actor took advantage of it. The admins are an "old boys network" - not chosen by the community, or elected, but simp…
>If I were starting an IRC channel for a free software project now, I would put it on OFTC, which has a real governance model with elections and - mysteriously - also manages to be drama-free. I'm not sure if it's completely drama-free. During the community meeting on the future of FSF's presence on IRC[1], someone shared these logs: https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/oftc/2021/05/01 https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/oftc/2021/…
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> using the "I'm being cancelled" argument I love it when people find the most ridiculous things to blame on "cancel culture". This goes toe to toe with Bob Baffert blaming it for being banned from horse racing after his Kentucky Derby winning horse being caught with steroids in his system, and after having his horses failing 31 drug tests over his career. It's like the "dog ate my homework" of 2021
While Mr. Lee (and some of his supporters) is also claiming that the criticism of him is due to anti-asian racism. The phrase "pick a lane" springs to mind.
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According to rasengan, in his current incarnation as root, the irccloud thing wasn't accidental: what accidental irccloud blanket ban? I keep hearing about this? I think all of irccloud got k-lined briefly - shit happens It's intentional for sure. I think someone accidentally removed it. is there a public statement about that anywhere? (and then nobody ever responded as to why, so I'm afraid that's all I know wrt tha…
14:59 IRCCloud was not klined by mistake. 14:59 We don't allow IRCCloud on freenode. 14:59 We offer our own free BNC, if you'd like to use that instead.
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That's a compelling theory (and I loved the "and a seafood entree" line), though I'd hope it's not the current situation. In any case, I'm assuming Freenode is over, and that the only way it might be reborn is by abdicating the throne, and turning it over to something like a representative democracy (with a sufficiently reassuring foundation than the new spinoff). (Incidentally, there was rare occasional young royalt…
It's not over. It's alive and well, it just happens to be named "Libera" these days. The only thing 'rasengan actually bought was the rights to the name (including the domain registration) and, indirectly, a user base of forgotten bouncers that will be reconfigured next time they're used. Note how the growth in the Libera graph parallels the drop in the Freenode graph: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
Many IRC users connect to a modified version of Leenode every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Leenode which is widely used today is often called "IRC", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Leenode network, develope^Wpurchased by Andrew "rasengan" Lee.
There really is an IRC, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. IRC is the protocol: the part of the system providing network connectivity between the users accessing it. The protocol is an essential part of a network, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete networking system. IRC is normally used in combination with Leenode: the whole system is basically Leenode connected via IRC, or IRC/Leenode. All the so-called "IRC" servers are really servers of IRC/Leenode.
I think it's important to continuously warn people about the freenode takeover, lest communities end up split. (see also: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php current statistics)
Seems like the transition is going quite smoothly so the warnings are going through despite the bans and channel closures. Good job to the libera staff and community! And definitively I'm saving that link.
Many IRC networks have had drama. But does anyone know the motivation for recent actions by Freenode? I'm discounting conspiracy theories (e.g., flipping, sabotage) because I think anyone acting strategically wrt IRC knows that forking an IRC network has been part of the standard toolkit for responding to "damage", since almost the start. I'm starting to lean towards a theory of there being no longer being a business…
Andrew Lee also claims to be the Crown Prince of Korea - because he claims to be distantly related to a very old king, contacted one of the aging claimants to the throne who has no male children, and organized a "ceremony" with him in a Vietnamese restaurant in Beverly Hills. I think if you want to form a theory of mind re his Freenode actions, you'd be well informed by forming a theory of mind re his Korea actions.…
When I say random, what I mean here is that - while they're biological descendants of a previous monarch locking in some component of genetics - humans are enormously varied so what you actually get isn't so different from if you stole a random newborn baby. Fat, tall, slow-witted, ugly, it's out of everybody's hands. They didn't ask for the job (you might want to at least make it possible for them to decline - if they feel they cannot do it, but this decision must be strongly discouraged and irreversible) but it's not onerous and somebody needs to do it.
I think it's actually desirable for a country to find themselves a monarch, giving said monarch of course absolutely no actual power whatsoever, and some merely ceremonial duties. The people get a symbol, untainted by the day's grimy politics and the politicians can get on with something useful.
Now, would Andrew Lee make for a halfway decent King of Korea? It seems dubious, but unlike running Freenode it wouldn't come with any actual power. However the big problem, as with Freenode, is whether people accept him. If the Korean people recognise Lee as King, why not?