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Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

akomtu wrote: post #80
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being down voted but you speak the truth. The current division, strife, and lack of unity in western society is in large part due to misinformation, propaganda, and psyops from adversaries. The primary goal is to make personal identity politics more important than national allegiances so that we rot from the inside out. We're not in the cold war anymore. We are in the Ice War.

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I was with you until you linked CRT proselytism with Hamas. That seems quite a stretch.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by goatinaboat »

justicezyx wrote: post #31
systemvoltage wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're seeing some pushback both, politically as well as in the corporate/business world. Some companies are starting to detach from social justice issues and politics in general from taking over internal discussions. American society is recognizing the dangers of this and starting to swing the pendulum back to the center politically. More democrats that I know (atleast in SV) are aware of the compliance culture (see…

> (see Wuhan virus lab origin issues where it was impossible to discuss this in 2020 without being silenced Funny The reason it cannot be discussed is because the us president decided to politicize the issue front and center. That inevitably forces the heavy hand censorship. Because any rational people see the danger of fueling the political crusade that was used purposefully by the most powerful individual on earth,…

The reason it cannot be discussed is because the us president decided to politicize the issue front and center. That inevitably forces the heavy hand censorship

Flip that around: hundreds of thousands died because it was more important for the media to attack Trump than to report truthfully. We weren’t even supposed to discuss HCQ for example, because Trump suggested it, despite all the mountains of scientific evidence about its effectiveness.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by pjc50 »

trophycase wrote: post #88
wolverine876 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't sound difficult to me. It has nothing to do with whiteness and maleness; it's about political power. If there is a group that is a dominant political power, it's the same thing. That's why issues of 'reverse racism' are a different problem: Discrimination is about power, not race. If American Buddhists are discriminatory against Baptists, it's obnoxious but not an issue of oppression or much threat to Bapt…

lmao the "discrimination is about power" is so played out and is used as a tool to justify "reverse" racism (which is just racism). What does a police officer being more afraid during a traffic stop of black people have to do with institutional power? What does people walking home at night and crossing the road when "certain" people are on their side have to do with institutional power? Nothing. This whole "racism =…

> What does a police officer being more afraid during a traffic stop of black people have to do with institutional power?

The police officer is institutional power. The organization which issues him a gun is institutional power. The prosecutor who will decline to prosecute him when he murders a black man is institutional power.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by zozbot234 »

coliveira wrote: post #96
mc32 wrote: post #14

What's a bit ironic to me is that this extension of US cultural hegemony used to be derided as cultural imperialism back a few decades ago before other cultural exports became vogue (Anime, K-Pop, etc.) when it was the US vs everyone else. But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it. They delight in the fact we can establish norms for communication and discourse n…

It is clearly imperialism pure and simple. The US uses its financial stronghold on internet companies to essentially dictate what is allowed or not in public discuss. You don't need to be very smart to see that Google, FB, Twitter are bound to US norms and regulations (and its surveillance state) and give very little thought to what other countries need/want. If you think this is normal, just think again.

The craziest part is that these internet companies are using that stronghold to optimize for "engagement" (i.e. flamebait) that looks outwardly bland enough so as not to disrupt the "advertising friendliness" that they seek to push. "Wuhan flu" is bad because some people in Wuhan might get angry and boycott your advertisers' products. "White male cis people are all racist Trump supporters!" (which weirdly enough seems to be most often posted by a white male cis person!) is not going to cause that kind of unwanted reaction so they push it. It's pretty much institutionalized trolling, it just doesn't get acknowledged as such.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by pjc50 »

goatinaboat wrote: post #102
justicezyx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (see Wuhan virus lab origin issues where it was impossible to discuss this in 2020 without being silenced Funny The reason it cannot be discussed is because the us president decided to politicize the issue front and center. That inevitably forces the heavy hand censorship. Because any rational people see the danger of fueling the political crusade that was used purposefully by the most powerful individual on earth,…

The reason it cannot be discussed is because the us president decided to politicize the issue front and center. That inevitably forces the heavy hand censorship Flip that around: hundreds of thousands died because it was more important for the media to attack Trump than to report truthfully. We weren’t even supposed to discuss HCQ for example, because Trump suggested it, despite all the mountains of scientific eviden…

It's been investigated repeatedly and not found effective. Now he's gone, nobody is still pushing it.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by goatinaboat »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #34
dominotw wrote: post #23

In India we had black lives matter movement where they panned the use of 'fair and lovely' facecream.

Here in Canada we've had BLM protests, "defund the police" and "ACAB". I don't really understand. As far as I'm concerned Canada is about as close to a utopia as you can get on this planet. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I'm pretty sure if we "defunded the police", things would only get worse. AFAIK, the "defund the police" chant was supposed to be in response to American police forces buying arm…

AFAIK, the "defund the police" chant was supposed to be in response to American police forces buying army vehicles and gear. That is not a thing in Canada

In the UK they scream “don’t shoot” at unarmed police, whom they call “Feds”. It’s surreal, like they don’t even know what country they’re in.

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Post by kop34huyt »

lugged wrote: post #63
smnrchrds wrote: post #17

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> I think it has a lot to do with the multi party system. Is Australia really a multi-party country. Seems like Australia, much like Canada, has two major parties at the federal level who take turns governing the country, and a bunch of smaller ones who have no power and no chance of ever getting into power.

They don't need to get into power, the major parties still need to concede negotiation points in order to form coalitions. This is what gives the multi party system its power, coalition forces diversity.

I agree. Fascinating to watch whats happening in Israeli politics too with all kind strange coalitions and so many parties.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by cinquemb »

mc32 wrote: post #14

What's a bit ironic to me is that this extension of US cultural hegemony used to be derided as cultural imperialism back a few decades ago before other cultural exports became vogue (Anime, K-Pop, etc.) when it was the US vs everyone else. But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it. They delight in the fact we can establish norms for communication and discourse n…

Yeah, its a joke:

"… What about Twitter? I have no idea what Twitter is good for. But if it flips out every tyrant in the Middle East, I'm interested." - Michael Rogers, Founder, Practical Futurist; Futurist-in-Residence, New York Times Company[0]

Best thing that could happen is that these centralized social media platforms keep kicking people off, for them to pursue other tools to use that fit their needs better.

[0] http://web.archive.org/web/20140531073143/http://www.cfr.org...

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by oefrha »

stubish wrote: post #100
mandis wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now why is this comment being downvoted. The last few nooks of the internet are being invaded by thought police.

Unsubstantiated claim, followed by a seemingly unrelated segue into US political commentary.

> Unsubstantiated claim

YouTube among others censored so much content surrounding SARS-CoV-2 (rightly or wrongly, I’ll remain neutral here), Apple and Google’s app stores straight up rejected apps for unofficial COVID info, including quite absurd cases like xscreensaver being rejected for including 3D renderings of the virus, or maybe just the word covid.[1] You really didn’t pay much attention if you’re unaware of these pretty extreme editorial decisions hotly debated last year.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25384689

Edit:

> seemingly unrelated segue

The censored worldwide part is related.

(Also removed a swipe in my edit, it didn’t add anything.)

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by rsj_hn »

goatinaboat wrote: post #106
tachyonbeam wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Canada we've had BLM protests, "defund the police" and "ACAB". I don't really understand. As far as I'm concerned Canada is about as close to a utopia as you can get on this planet. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I'm pretty sure if we "defunded the police", things would only get worse. AFAIK, the "defund the police" chant was supposed to be in response to American police forces buying arm…

AFAIK, the "defund the police" chant was supposed to be in response to American police forces buying army vehicles and gear. That is not a thing in Canada In the UK they scream “don’t shoot” at unarmed police, whom they call “Feds”. It’s surreal, like they don’t even know what country they’re in.

That's actually hilarious. Do you have a youtube or other video link?
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