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Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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This is a serious threat to other countries’ sovereignty but because it is happening in a decentralized, slow-moving manner, it is hard to recognize it as such. The power of US media and culture is overwhelming and if not managed, can drown out other worldviews. In the cases I’ve observed (in countries I’ve traveled to / lived in), it feels a lot like a sort of cultural colonialism (or perhaps cultural genocide), whi…

I generally agree with that culture is getting generalized, but I despise the trend of diluting terms to associate them with your enemies. Using colonialism and genocide just to exaggerate their badness is just like how "nazi" has gotten diluted to mean "right".

I definitely agree the terms are not exactly the same, but I am not sure what a better term is. In order to not tread on “colonialism” or “genocide”, I prefixed it with the word “cultural”, hoping that strikes a more precise and nuanced balance.

Let me try to explain my reasoning. In some countries, explicit colonialism was done away with successful independence movements, but was replaced by softer forms of influence and propaganda that lingered on. For example Western education systems (with textbooks from Western publishers) or significant influence from churches or the introduction of multinational corporations have led to generations of children of former colonial states hearing/experiencing/living one version of history and culture, which isn’t their indigenous history and culture. Because national resources and people’s time are consumed by these structures and influences, there isn’t space for any other influence. This is especially harmful to cultures where their traditions are passed on orally or through daily multi-generational living. Social media takes that further because it is addictive, and is another time sink and intervention into the “information stream” people would otherwise receive.

If people living in some country persist but are stripped of their indigenous values and culture and worldviews through these soft mechanisms, they aren’t really the same people that they replaced any longer. Think of Tibet for example, where more overt re-education efforts have changed younger generations and disconnected them from their traditional Buddhist culture. Sure they may be the genetic descendants and inheritors of the past Tibetan people, but they increasingly reflect Han Chinese culture, and not just politically. These cultures go away, potentially for good, when this happens. The culture being replaced by outside powers is what leads me to apply phrases like “cultural colonialism” or “cultural genocide” in these instances.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Maybe. In Australia the anti lockdown / anti Vax stuff got shut down quite quickly. Same goes for the BLM protests that tried it on without the right permits. Kind of glad I don't have to put up with the same crap here or the media trying to call it peaceful. I think it has a lot to do with the multi party system. I don't have to align myself with one party or the other party, and all its polarising crap along with i…

> I think it has a lot to do with the multi party system. Is Australia really a multi-party country. Seems like Australia, much like Canada, has two major parties at the federal level who take turns governing the country, and a bunch of smaller ones who have no power and no chance of ever getting into power.

> smaller ones who have no power and no chance of ever getting into power.

Whilst the smaller parties / independents do not have a real chance to gain majority, they can still have a voice and oftentimes hold the balance of power. This leads to some claiming that these smaller players have a much bigger influence than they deserve.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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post #11

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It's definitely being brought into other countries one way or another. Back in university, I went to study abroad in Japan and there were several American professors at the university. The one's teaching arts courses such as English, Journalism, etc. would definitely sneak America's political rhetoric in their lessons. Now, I work for a Japanese company in the US and often go take business trips to Japan and can defi…

This sounds like the “intellectual matrix” the French education minister wrote about recently: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threa... > French politicians, high-profile intellectuals and journalists are warning that progressive American ideas — specifically on race, gender, post-colonialism — are undermining their society. “There’s a battle to wage against an intellectual matrix from American…

I think you're being down voted but you speak the truth. The current division, strife, and lack of unity in western society is in large part due to misinformation, propaganda, and psyops from adversaries.

The primary goal is to make personal identity politics more important than national allegiances so that we rot from the inside out.

We're not in the cold war anymore.

We are in the Ice War.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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What's a bit ironic to me is that this extension of US cultural hegemony used to be derided as cultural imperialism back a few decades ago before other cultural exports became vogue (Anime, K-Pop, etc.) when it was the US vs everyone else. But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it. They delight in the fact we can establish norms for communication and discourse n…

> Can you imagine corporate policy of SF or Menlo Park sets what people in Mumbai or Seoul can discuss regarding SARS-Cov-2?

You don't have to imagine of course, it already does.

Also, last year someone mentioned here that joebiden.info (which AFAICT is just a website with a collection of inconvenient clips and reports on Biden, maybe misinterpreted to fit an agenda in some cases) was censored in Messenger, seemingly worldwide. Crazy stuff.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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What's actually worrisome is that political discourse in many less developed nations has started to emulate whatever is regurgitated in the US, which leads people to shift their focus onto issues that are not as urgent or relevant in their own countries.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like the “intellectual matrix” the French education minister wrote about recently: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threa... > French politicians, high-profile intellectuals and journalists are warning that progressive American ideas — specifically on race, gender, post-colonialism — are undermining their society. “There’s a battle to wage against an intellectual matrix from American…

Wait, the American woke leftists are too far out for the French ? (But it sounds like the problem isn't their position , but their actions or method .)

Woke culture is heading towards the cultural revolution mindset of China from 50 years ago.

Its been that way for awhile but was considered fringe until recently. Not it’s at a tipping point.

Don’t agree with latest woke idea. Perhaps thousands of rabbis youth attacking you will change your mind.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Living in an expat destination country currently as an American, I regularly get crap from friends, Australian, British, South African, about the perceived madness of American political culture that's now popping up in their work lives and home countries. Slightly reminiscent of living abroad during Bush-Iraq years as an American where you become a target of blame.

Australians knew more about American politics day to day during Trumps presidency than we did our own politics. It was surreal.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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post #14

What's a bit ironic to me is that this extension of US cultural hegemony used to be derided as cultural imperialism back a few decades ago before other cultural exports became vogue (Anime, K-Pop, etc.) when it was the US vs everyone else. But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it. They delight in the fact we can establish norms for communication and discourse n…

> Can you imagine corporate policy of SF or Menlo Park sets what people in Mumbai or Seoul can discuss regarding SARS-Cov-2? You don't have to imagine of course, it already does. Also, last year someone mentioned here that joebiden.info (which AFAICT is just a website with a collection of inconvenient clips and reports on Biden, maybe misinterpreted to fit an agenda in some cases) was censored in Messenger, seemingly…

Was quite shocking the first time my message got blocked.

I am part of autoimmune support groups where plaqunial is a normal treatment. Pre pandemic.

Get constant warnings and fact checks about plaqunial.

Friends regularly have their post “fact checked” of course always by liberal sources.

Full blown 1984 / animal farm these days.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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post #28

Living in an expat destination country currently as an American, I regularly get crap from friends, Australian, British, South African, about the perceived madness of American political culture that's now popping up in their work lives and home countries. Slightly reminiscent of living abroad during Bush-Iraq years as an American where you become a target of blame.

Australians knew more about American politics day to day during Trumps presidency than we did our own politics. It was surreal.

Same in Canada. The CBC was particularly egregious. The "World" section was just the "US Politics" section. I stopped reading; but, of course, like all Canadians, I have kept funding it.
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