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Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor Dropbox

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Post by xmprt »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #193
mhh__ wrote: post #179

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Speaking of anti-trust, surely Apple must be getting close to (or beyond) what Microsoft were? Total control over their users, hidden APIs, apparently biased store, rentseeking etc. My £0.02 is that if they aren't already over the line the line should be nudged against their favour.

They're nothing like Microsoft was; Windows was something like 97% of all PCs. I'm not aware of Apple having more than 50% of any market. You can't abuse a monopoly that you don't have. (Of course, collusion/duopoly and saying that they dominate some smaller market, say paid mobile apps, are valid arguments, but nothing like as cut-and-dry as peak MS).

Anti-trust is more than just being a monopoly. You can have a 1% market share and still be caught up in an anti-trust case.

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Post by jsjohnst »

spicybright wrote: post #176
threeseed wrote: post #76

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> Mac software and app industry has died And yet for me there are far more apps than there has ever been. > steal ideas of developers Nobody owns an idea. > They killed the industry. This notion that Apple killed the mobile apps industry which it arguably started is ridiculous. We have companies like Instagram, Snap, WhatsApp, Niantic etc who built billion dollar businesses on the back of the iOS platform. And a wide…

You still need a $100 a year developer subscription to develop your app though, right?

You need a subscription to distribute your app via the AppStore, not to develop it or to use the app you wrote personally.

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Post by [deleted] »

wincy wrote: post #195
l33t2328 wrote: post #145

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Why do you say they’re degrading the experience?

The other day I had a windows upgrade and suddenly had weather on my desktop. I thought it was some malware I’d downloaded. Nope, new windows feature with a confusing way to disable it so I had to Google it. My next laptop will definitely be a MacBook.

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Re: Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor Dropbox

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Post by jsjohnst »

yyyk wrote: post #110
nexuist wrote: post #84

Does anyone else just…not care? Files is a system app like Windows Explorer. It’s not meant to “compete” with anything. Does anyone think Control Panel competes with Android’s Settings app? iCloud Drive is a cloud storage competitor that Files works well with, but Files also supports Dropbox and Google Drive and many other storage competitors (anyone who wants to implement the API gets to be in Files). Also, the argu…

>Files is a system app like Windows Explorer. It’s not meant to “compete” with anything. That defence helped Internet Explorer a lot. Nope. At the very least searching for 'dropbox' should return 'dropbox' and not be overriden by Apple. >but for some reason its position in the App Store is a controversial topic? How many people even delete Files and search for it again? This makes Apple's defence for manually placing…

> If all users installed DropBox, iCloud Drive would get $0.

I pay for both and I doubt I’m the only one.

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Post by MiscIdeaMaker99 »

spicybright wrote: post #176
threeseed wrote: post #76

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> Mac software and app industry has died And yet for me there are far more apps than there has ever been. > steal ideas of developers Nobody owns an idea. > They killed the industry. This notion that Apple killed the mobile apps industry which it arguably started is ridiculous. We have companies like Instagram, Snap, WhatsApp, Niantic etc who built billion dollar businesses on the back of the iOS platform. And a wide…

You still need a $100 a year developer subscription to develop your app though, right?

No, you can develop your app for free. Here are details from Apple's own site about the free vs. paid memberships.

https://developer.apple.com/support/compare-memberships/

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Post by killjoywashere »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #80
arthurcolle wrote: post #67

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Their use of ‘advantage’ as a word reminds me of this classic Calvin & Hobbes strip. https://www.languagetrainers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/201... Looks like the 80s/90s kids that were brought up on these skits are finally taking over!

You can also "noun" verbs. One I hear in SV is "an ask". I find myself a bit peeved by it but I don't know why.

You’re peeved by “ask” as a noun?! How the hell is “math” plural?! Why maths? The subject (singular) is math (singular). Do you study Englishes? Anthropologies? Medicines?

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Post by rock_artist »

This is an issue which is part of the problem.

Whether it's cool or not, Product placement is very common practice in retail. Also Spotify has similar tools to promote music.

The problem always comes back to the main issue, You got a platform where you have only one monopolistic way of use.

While people can complaint about Google. you're allowed to install you apps. only if you'd like to use Google's services (location, In-App-Purchase, etc) you need to use the Google Play.

With Apple not only I need to pay 99$ just to put an app with one year certificate (signed by Apple) on my device. (including the use of some basic OS APIs, aka "entitlements" not allowed without paid account).

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Post by killjoywashere »

snowwrestler wrote: post #187
hattar wrote: post #174

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Why?

Maybe because to truly grok a person, you have to eat them [1]. I’d imagine that could hurt that person deep inside if they were alive when you started. [1] Per the end of A Stranger In a Strange Land

I wonder if that whale groks Michael Packard.

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Post by stephenr »

killjoywashere wrote: post #216
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #80

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You can also "noun" verbs. One I hear in SV is "an ask". I find myself a bit peeved by it but I don't know why.

You’re peeved by “ask” as a noun?! How the hell is “math” plural?! Why maths? The subject (singular) is math (singular). Do you study Englishes? Anthropologies? Medicines?

You know that “math” is just the abbreviated form of “mathematics” right?

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Post by cglong »

tshaddox wrote: post #75
Rubayo wrote: post #34

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Yet given all this, for a substantial cohort of customers, the Apple brand is still bought as a badge of "coolness".

I really don’t know how long I’m willing to buy this argument that Apple is a “luxury” brand or that Apple or its customers are disproportionately concerned about coolness or fashion. All the competing flagship smartphones have similar products at similar prices, including all the branded accessories, as well as extremely similar marketing and advertising. And at least in the United States, Apple has nearly a 50% mar…

I can't tell you how many comments I've gotten (in jest I know) about how their text bubbles to me are now green.
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