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Diabetes Drug Metformin Reduces All-Cause Mortality and Diseases of Aging (2017)

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Re: Diabetes Drug Metformin Reduces All-Cause Mortality and Diseases of Aging (2017)

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post #2

Could this be replicating what fasting and caloric restriction do?

Yes. And keto, OMAD, etc... They all do the "same thing" in reducing serum glucose and therefore all the downstream bad things that happen.

Metformin forms the base plank of novel metabolic cancer regimens too.

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#12
post #2

Could this be replicating what fasting and caloric restriction do?

Yes. And keto, OMAD, etc... They all do the "same thing" in reducing serum glucose and therefore all the downstream bad things that happen. Metformin forms the base plank of novel metabolic cancer regimens too.

>Metformin forms the base plank of novel metabolic cancer regimens too.

For which you'll likely have to lie to or find an alternative oncologist who's willing to tolerate adjuvant therapies that aren't 'standard of care'.

There are organizations that are developing protocols that include metformin along with statins, anthelmintics and even some antibiotics that are showing promise across a variety of research and even some clinical trials to help fight cancer through a number of mechanisms. Independently they are not likely sufficient to beat cancer but may slow its roll through the body of the patient.

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#13
Picture seems complicated

Our study, performed in C. elegans and human primary fibroblasts shows that there is an age-related decrease in metformin tolerance, which in later life leads to toxicity of all metformin doses tested. This shows possible safety risks of late life administration of metformin to individuals without diabetes,"

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-age-decisive-positive...

Re: Diabetes Drug Metformin Reduces All-Cause Mortality and Diseases of Aging (2017)

#14
post #8

Comparison of metformin and berberine based on Cochrane meta-analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsMMfSQKQ0

Looked at berberine also, seems toxic to the liver.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5867333/

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And keto, OMAD, etc... They all do the "same thing" in reducing serum glucose and therefore all the downstream bad things that happen. Metformin forms the base plank of novel metabolic cancer regimens too.

>Metformin forms the base plank of novel metabolic cancer regimens too. For which you'll likely have to lie to or find an alternative oncologist who's willing to tolerate adjuvant therapies that aren't 'standard of care'. There are organizations that are developing protocols that include metformin along with statins, anthelmintics and even some antibiotics that are showing promise across a variety of research and eve…

“alternative” practitioners have been keeping humans healthy for several millennia prior to the existence of the AMA and their so-called “standard of care”.

Re: Diabetes Drug Metformin Reduces All-Cause Mortality and Diseases of Aging (2017)

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post #2

Could this be replicating what fasting and caloric restriction do?

Yes, there's evidence for that. However the jury is still out on whether metformin is a net benefit for people with healthy insulin sensitivity. It appears there are negative effects: Derek Lowe talks about the negative effects of metformin on healthy people: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2019/06/24/me ... Peter Attia talks about the same, and some interesting other considerations: https://peterattia…

Folks that take metformin for anti-aging usually take it on exercise off-days. There was concern about lactic acidosis, but it's beginning to become clear that it mostly arises in patients with comorbidities.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, there's evidence for that. However the jury is still out on whether metformin is a net benefit for people with healthy insulin sensitivity. It appears there are negative effects: Derek Lowe talks about the negative effects of metformin on healthy people: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2019/06/24/me ... Peter Attia talks about the same, and some interesting other considerations: https://peterattia…

Metformin likely blunts the impact of high intensity exercise. But for the 65% of people living sedentary or low activity lives, it’s a straight win. Even for those who are consistent with physical fitness, the downsides can likely be avoided by waiting a few hours after the morning exercise session to dose.

Right, and wouldn't the non extended release version work well if taken at night and exercise in morning (or vice versa).

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post #9

It certainly is a powerful pharmaceutical. It can impact aquatic life that live in treated waste water effluent. "Emerging wastewater contaminant metformin causes intersex and reduced fecundity in fish." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004565351...

human life > fish life

Yes and no. If that's literally allmit does and it doesn't do it to an extreme amount i'd have no issues with it, but it also points to it possibly causing other effects that we need to be looking for and studying so we don;t get caught unaware of it destroying ecosystems that we depend on for our lives too. You have to remeber that we don't exist in isolation drom the environment and if it causes that in fish, it might be causing other problems in us, or in plants and animals that we depend on directly or indirectly.

Re: Diabetes Drug Metformin Reduces All-Cause Mortality and Diseases of Aging (2017)

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The only miracle drugs that I know of are sleep, water, and exercise. Even those have dose-related toxicities!

https://peterattiamd.com/metformin-and-exercise/

If you're healthy enough to exercise, that's probably more effective. Apparently (I haven't tested myself, and I don't know how thorough the literature is) metformin lowers your lactic threshold, which reduces the total amount of work you can do in that state.

Do cardio, sleep enough, avoid refined sugar and fats that are solid at room temperature. More than that... godspeed

Re: Diabetes Drug Metformin Reduces All-Cause Mortality and Diseases of Aging (2017)

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This whole comment section is totally delusional regarding the reliability of medical statistics and preliminary data in life science. It's funny (and sad) to see people easily disparaging "state-of-the-art treatments" be so prone to experiment on themselves with moonshot claims.
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