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Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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I've got two nephews aged 34 and 32 who still live at home and play video games all the time and rarely leave their rooms. Neither has ever had a job that lasted more than a month or so. Neither ever learned to drive even though they live in a town with little or no public transit. They haven't had any education beyond high school. They seem wholly unprepared to navigate life without their parents. It's a slow motion…

Maybe they're doomers and have accepted the end.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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>The fact that men don't tend to be a socially adept doesn't help. Men are socially adept in their society and a society of their peers. Just not in this one which seeks to break them down and punishes them for not being women.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27480158.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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If the goal is gender equality: what's wrong with this? The idea that every able bodied person has to work is not supposed to be the way our society functions; at least not in the last 100,000 years.

> The idea that every able bodied person has to work is not supposed to be the way our society functions; at least not in the last 100,000 years. So the fruit of who's labour exactly are they entitled to then? And can I also get in on that action? I would like to get something other people made without working any more. I don't see why I as a productive member of society should get less than someone who festers in th…

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Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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I've worked a bunch of jobs over the years where i've ended up being in the homes of a lot of middle class - upper class people, not that it doesn't happen with working class people too, but anyway a common thing i would see was young men my own age or older living at home with their parents, not employed. I remember one lady in particular tried desperately to see if we could get her son a job. He'd taken a crane ope…

As a person who is in this age range and in essentially the opposite position--my disabled mother and college age sister live with me in coastal California--the kind of thing you're describing with the guy who wouldn't come out of the room is bonkers. I know this kind of person exists as an archetype but between your anecdote and the article I'm just baffled at the apparent prevalence. I guess part of it is the fact…

Precarious life (esp. in a poor society, but not just) can be a mighty motivator.

Probably one of the reasons immigrants from poor backgrounds fare well.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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> The idea that every able bodied person has to work is not supposed to be the way our society functions; at least not in the last 100,000 years. So the fruit of who's labour exactly are they entitled to then? And can I also get in on that action? I would like to get something other people made without working any more. I don't see why I as a productive member of society should get less than someone who festers in th…

FTA: > Make no mistake, though, for a young man who’s not working the couch isn’t a bed of roses. “About half of prime age men who are not in the labor force may have a serious health condition that is a barrier to working,” the late Princeton economist Alan Krueger wrote in the Brookings Papers on Economic Activity in 2017. Does it really sound that appealing to be "entitled" to pain, high medication costs, and/or a…

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things even worse.

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Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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> How long does it take to learn how to drive You're not wrong generally, but this one costs about $1000 where I live, which is close to average national monthly salary and approximately twice the minimum salary. Not pocket change for someone who has trouble finding work (and many jobs require driver's license).

Just to add to the story. My sister claimed for 10+ years she had the DMV book and just needed to study it before getting her permit. She said this repeatedly to my father and brother and no one questioned her. For 10+ years. Then a year ago I just called a driving school near my parents house on her behalf. I offered to pay for everything including study time and taxi rides to and from the school. Whatever it took.…

She is obviously scared of driving.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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I agree 100% on the dramatic economic problems we are facing. But I also can't help but feel commenters are conflating 'attack on masculinity' !== 'attack on toxic masculinity.' There is not some organized movement trying to make young boys 'less of a man.' I'm guessing a very large % of HN is male so would be nice to amplify any female voices who want to chime in.

There is non stop end to end societal cheerleading of everyone who is not a white man, with the implications being that white men are bad.

Trying to lift up those who have been oppressed, or at least lived centuries on unequal footing compared to white men, != all white men are bad.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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> How long does it take to learn how to drive You're not wrong generally, but this one costs about $1000 where I live, which is close to average national monthly salary and approximately twice the minimum salary. Not pocket change for someone who has trouble finding work (and many jobs require driver's license).

Just to add to the story. My sister claimed for 10+ years she had the DMV book and just needed to study it before getting her permit. She said this repeatedly to my father and brother and no one questioned her. For 10+ years. Then a year ago I just called a driving school near my parents house on her behalf. I offered to pay for everything including study time and taxi rides to and from the school. Whatever it took.…

So at no point did anyone figure that she was experiencing pathological amounts of anxiety around learning to drive, and most likely other ordinary activities? That sounds to me like an issue mental healthcare professionals help address.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Let's not forget that the Social Security is not getting funded so it's probably going to dry out sooner.

Let’s not derail the thread. Social security is underfunded, but will continue to provide benefits at a reduced level (~76%) when the trust fund runs dry in 2034 (which is just accounting in the gov budget). A variety of small measures can be implemented to ensure ongoing solvency, and likely will take place, even if extreme measures like a contribution from the general fund is needed. The US does not default on its…

Removing income cap on Social contributions would be enough, or 1% more on the tax rates with current income cap.
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